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Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Claiming that the number of job postings mentioning Jupyter has decreased, so Jupyter is no longer popular is not something a company in the data space should do. It is just embarrassing.

Using baloney statistics to sell a product to data scientists is a bit like presenting a flat earth paper at an astronomy conference. Bold move.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

#142

Claiming that the number of job postings mentioning Jupyter has decreased, so Jupyter is no longer popular is not something a company in the data space should do. It is just embarrassing.

And that graph they show has an offset y axis (hides the scale from 0 to exaggerate the "downward trend") _and_ has a non-uniform x axis. Each tick mark represents a different scale of time (1yr, 3 mos, 1 mo) Wtf

Looks like the edited the graph in the article to correct this.

Still skeptical about the data source. Analytics datasets always seem to undercount the most recent few data points.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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post #25

I’m not familiar with Deepnote, but I have quite a lot of experience with Jupyter, and if someone were to ask me if there are more modern alternatives I would immediately point them to marimo ( https://marimo.io/ ). For me marimo is already a successor to Jupyter, it has replaced it entirely for me.

How hard would it be to add creatine collaboration to Marimo?

realtime collaboration is in under marimo experimental (just flip the flag)

marimo doesn't support creatine :)

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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post #29

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Have to say marimo is excellent and is a breath of fresh air compared to Jupyter!

What does it do better? I'm happy with Jupyter for most of my cases but never hurts to look around.

Check out their YouTube channel where they show plenty of interesting features. But just to list some I can think of: - optional reactivity (i.e. you create chain of cells where editing 5th cells in the past causes update down the stream, pretty neat when working with dataframes). Its reactivity is a very cool feature once used to but you might not want it for something like running heavy ML training task so it can be toggled off - you can switch notebook to multi-column notebook mode - notebook is a web app that has sidebar with a lot of menus, there cool sections like Docs, Packages (you can download new packages right away there with uv), plenty of LLM integration with their custom prompts where you can reference dataframes so that it would be able to understand schema, some SQL and other DB integrations as well, cells can even contain SQL instead python code and output query result into python variable - thanks to reactivity it got a lot of interactive elements like sliders buttons text fields or ability to create entire own widgets, there's even mode where all code blocks get hidden and you're left with complete app - you can make web export of notebook that will translate python to WASM and publish it as fully working static page (though publishing something heavy complex like torch probably won't go well), this fits well with previous point as you can basically build simple interface hide all the code and publish it (like imagine matplotlib with couple of sliders) - DataFrames (pandas/polars) displayed as interactive tables where you can filter by columns, scroll through pages of rows etc - notebook stored in a .py format, unlike .ipynb with its json like structure. So code is very Git-friendly but you don't store computation results anymore

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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post #84

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All standards are ultimately controlled by private companies. Even non-profits require funding. Open source always depended on a viable business model (of one or many companies) that can sustain not just the release, but also an ongoing maintenance of the standard.

Interestingly, even the Warez Scene has standards, and no commercial backing. They're enforced, too. To see the actual standards, you can search for "standard" on https://defacto2.net/search/file There's a free book that covers that topic: https://punctumbooks.com/titles/warez-the-infrastructure-and...

Not quite a counterexample, since piracy derives all of its value from commercial works, and those who want access to them.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Marimo has been acquired (last week), does the SaaS enshitification pattern give you any pause? https://marimo.io/blog/joining-coreweave

This is Akshay, the original creator of marimo. Our whole team has come over to CoreWeave. We're building a whole lot more, not less, and our number one priority continues to be the open-source. We're also growing the open-source team, i.e. we're hiring.

sure sure, but I've been at an acquisition and we have seen countless more in the wild, the founders lose control over time and the parent company will do what they like, acquisition is a big red flag for me when considering adoption of a project

you can say whatever you want, but we have history to help guide us, and it has not been kind to the acquisitioned company's current user base

you're still in the honeymoon phase, check back with us in a year or two

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

#147

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Marimo has been acquired (last week), does the SaaS enshitification pattern give you any pause? https://marimo.io/blog/joining-coreweave

Thanks for the link. I'm not a subscriber to their blog and would otherwise not have known about this change that affects the recommendations I have been giving people.

I found it because they proudly present it at the top of their web pages, it only happened last thursday, so understandable people are not familiar with the fact it is under new management

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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post #102
post #45

Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language: > Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.” If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have s…

The whole post feels like it was edited/modified by ChatGPT; `What we opened — in English, not a changelog`, `Why it matters (no fluff):`, `We are big believers in notebooks — full stop` are patterns that always make me feel like an LLM wrote it (sentence followed by a marketing qualifier). I really liked Deepnote the product when I last used it, but the post definitely feels off.

Been thinking about this lately because I find my writing style is a little bit like annoying slightly sycophantic overly-hyphenated-with-an-emdash-here-and-there LLMs. Since LLMs are trained on the Internet, wouldn't some portion of posts that fall in the middle of the "voice bell curve" always sound like LLMs and thus be open to this critique even when they are 100% human written?

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole post feels like it was edited/modified by ChatGPT; `What we opened — in English, not a changelog`, `Why it matters (no fluff):`, `We are big believers in notebooks — full stop` are patterns that always make me feel like an LLM wrote it (sentence followed by a marketing qualifier). I really liked Deepnote the product when I last used it, but the post definitely feels off.

Been thinking about this lately because I find my writing style is a little bit like annoying slightly sycophantic overly-hyphenated-with-an-emdash-here-and-there LLMs. Since LLMs are trained on the Internet, wouldn't some portion of posts that fall in the middle of the "voice bell curve" always sound like LLMs and thus be open to this critique even when they are 100% human written?

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Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

#150
post #45

Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language: > Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.” If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have s…

I haven’t read something so presumptuous and offputting since the Ubuntu “neckbeard” blog post. I don’t particularly like developing in Jupyter, but whatever this is, it’s gross and I’ll have no part of it.
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