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Alaska Airlines' statement on IT outage

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Re: Alaska Airlines' statement on IT outage

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I was affected. Taking off now for a 5:30pm PT flight to Seattle. Aside from clearly not having an appropriate disaster readiness plan, communication was bad even though some information was readily available. For example, there was an inbound ground stop for KSEA for hours, but it was never announced to passengers. We were very lucky the crew was fresh, and there was no discussion of when they would time out. I happ…

Every flight I've taken in the last year has been a clusterfuck. I've spent damn near as much time in airports as I have in the air. It seriously makes me not want to fly.

The trick is to only have 14 hour flights. Then almost any delay will feel rather small by comparison.

Re: Alaska Airlines' statement on IT outage

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i have applied and interviewed at AlaskaAir in order to help my "hometown" airline + get free travel. its not shocking to state they are a very ancient infrastructure that is being run and protected by fiefdoms that refuse to even acknowledge best practices of any infrastructure tech released in the past decade. as a former business traveler of AlaskaAir, i stopped flying on them after the 6th flight in a row that wa…

> its not shocking to state they are a very ancient infrastructure that is being run and protected by fiefdoms that refuse to even acknowledge best practices of any infrastructure tech released in the past decade I struggle with the notion that a high quality airline operating system cannot be developed using technologies as of 2015. Most of what we are drowning in right now is the product of the last 10 years. The l…

It can be developed. I think it’s more of an indictment of the type of company that doesn’t even consider changing anything not currently screaming bloody murder at them.

Re: Alaska Airlines' statement on IT outage

#143
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Often only if you are prepared to go as far as CEDR/MCOL. European airlines are not forthcoming with that compensation /at all/. They have entire teams, procedures, policies, strategies etc to avoid paying out

I will say I expected Ryanair to be more awkward about it but apart from a few discouraging messages on the claim form (“are you sure you’re entitled to compensation?” and “most claims aren’t successful” type stuff), once I did fill out the form they paid out quickly and without fuss, despite the payout being larger than the original fare

and “most claims aren’t successful”

The same is true of lottery tickets, yet that obviously hasn't stopped people from buying them.

Re: Alaska Airlines' statement on IT outage

#144

I was affected by the outage yesterday, and my flight to Seattle was delayed by over 6 hours, arriving in Seattle at 3am today. What made the delay much worse is the lack of clear communication and updates throughout the delay. As a consolation, the passengers got a 1-day redeemable $12 meal credit at the airport enough for a bag of chips and a small chocolate bar, which lightened the situation as it put into perspec…

$12 isn't even enough for a proper meal. It needs to be at least double that. Who in the right mind authorized that? How many customers of that airline were affect? Say it's 90k, that's trading a meager $1M for angrier customers and dozens of complains and bad reviews.

Re: Alaska Airlines' statement on IT outage

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In my case, I filed a complaint with Iceland air regulatory authority, even though I lived in canada at a time, and when I told Icelandair I had done that, they suddenly became very proactive.

There are also firms that handle all of this for you for a % (in the region of 20%). They validate the claim and threaten ti take the airline to court if they don’t pay out. I generally go direct to the airline these days but if I get pushback beyond what I’m willing to deal with myself, I’ll use one of those services.

Very common in Germany. Non-existant in Finland. Finnish consumer rights are very weak, they only work if the business cooperates[1]. Finnair is a state-owned company that acts like if they were legislation and courts themselves. I have avoided them as much as I can for many years.

[1] Probably the majority of businesses does. But shady used car dealers etc. and Finnair don't.

Re: Alaska Airlines' statement on IT outage

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> I responded to the following comment: "Welcome to the web. Pages often have hyperlinks that can be followed to see related information." which I did not find reasonable. But you're wrong about that. Would you consider a "Choose Your Own Adventure" book to be a couple hundred documents, or just one? The text abnercoimbre quoted was explicitly referenced on the page as being the airline's policy toward affected "gues…

I worry we're veering very much off topic, so let me state, for the benefit of anyone thinking that this is still about the original comment, that I consider the quote provided by abnercoimbre to be both correct and relevant to the submitted topic. The rest of this comment is not about that. No, I do not consider a document to be a part of another document, unless it's embedded in the other document. I don't, for exa…

> expanding on that, would you consider it appropriate referencing to say "That is a crime according to the French criminal law" without specifying where it says that? (I'm assuming here that the French criminal law is a single document.)

Not really; there are two issues, of which I think one supports you much more strongly than the other one does.

First (supporting you more), the French criminal law is a very large document. Appropriate referencing should include a more reliable way to find the relevant text than "it's in there somewhere".

Second, whether something is a crime according to any particular body of criminal law is generally a subjective question that cannot be definitively answered by reading the text of the law, even if you read it all. Because of this, appropriate referencing demands that you provide the text which you are interpreting to mean that the particular events under discussion constitute a crime.

This second point seems more important to me. If you say that's a crime according to the French criminal law, which states '[direct quote]', that's a good reference even though you don't specify where in the law your text is found. If you provide the location of the text you're thinking of, but not the text itself, that's a much worse reference, even though it's still better than just waving at "the French criminal law".

But part of that calculation is the fact that I expect, if I have a genuine quote in my hand, that I'll be able to locate where in the law it came from. Bodies of law are generally pretty good about this. Hundreds of years ago, specifying where in the law a direct quote occurred would have been more important.

(Issues with citing the law get even worse than this; judgments that postdate the law can have dramatic effects on its meaning without triggering any change in its official wording.)

> I would consider a wrong (or broken) link to be an error in the document, but I would not consider erroneous statements in the linked document to be inaccuracies or errors in the linking document. Imagine that instead of an outdated policy, the linked document was one promoting homeopathy. Would you say that the original document contains misleading statements about healthcare? I would not.

I wouldn't, but that's because the link specifies that it details Alaska Airlines' customer support policy. If the same thing happened in a Mayo Clinic page outlining their view of homeopathy, then that document would be making misleading statements about healthcare.

If a delayed passenger called Alaska Airlines and said "in your statement about the outage, it mentions that you reimburse affected passengers for any hotel accommodations they may have made without limitation" (and that is an accurate description of the mistakenly-linked outdated policy), do you think it would be more accurate for the representative to respond "yes, it does say that, but unfortunately that link goes to an outdated policy and we can't reimburse more than $100", or to respond "no, it doesn't say that. It only says that we have a policy, and our policy is to reimburse up to $100"?

Re: Alaska Airlines' statement on IT outage

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> they would probably want to pay $100 (rationally, closer to $1000) amortized over 50 years to pay for that Which would just flow into the pockets of ClownStrike or some big consultancy and nothing would actually change.

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Re: Alaska Airlines' statement on IT outage

#149

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90 minutes? I live in south Seattle - Link from downtown Seattle takes half that. It's crazy to drive on I-5 and you don't have to.

i prefer to arrive to work fresh and not have smoked meth or fentanyl the entire train ride not to mention dodging random stabbings, homeless feces, and insane people that belong in a mental care facility.

Well I'm glad to tell you the train is pretty much packed with commuters so there isn't room for any of that!

Re: Alaska Airlines' statement on IT outage

#150

Wow, Alaska paying peanuts for relatively mission critical software/SRE roles: https://www.levels.fyi/companies/alaska-airlines/salaries/so...

And in Seattle, where engineer salaries are among the highest in the country.

If all you have is peanuts...
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