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The Collapse of the FDA

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Re: The Collapse of the FDA

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TV ads for cigarettes are not legal in the US at least. And alcohol ads have a bunch of weird regulations like they can’t show people in the act of drinking (holding the booze is fine).

that's what illegal means.

I think you mean regulated. At best you could say ads showing people drinking alcohol are banned, but alcohol ads in general are regulated.

Re: The Collapse of the FDA

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“FDA’s war on public health is about to end,” Kennedy wrote. “This includes its aggressive suppression of psychedelics, peptides, stem cells, raw milk, hyperbaric therapies, chelating compounds, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, vitamins, clean foods, sunshine, exercise, nutraceuticals and anything else that advances human health and can’t be patented by Pharma." Anyone know what chelating compounds he is talking about…

I find this quote so fascinating. Who makes ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine? Pharma companies! Who makes vitamins and supplements? Massive corporations! Is there a single doctor on the planet who doesn't tell their patients that sunshine and exercise are good for them?

> Is there a single doctor on the planet who doesn't tell their patients that sunshine and exercise are good for them?

Yes, because doctors are secretly plotting alongside with big renewables to trap sunshine with solar panels and imprison it in batteries. They don't want patients to compete with them for access to sunshine.

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Reject modernity. Return to the old ways Pity the old ways are > You’ve died of dysentery

It really feels like the US is a failed state at this point, but it just hasn’t had full impact yet. Not really sure how all this destruction (in only half a year!) can be reversed in any meaningful timeframe in the future.

Sadly, I expect it has to founder on the rocks before things will turn for the better. I'm channelling Great Depression —> FDR here. Hopefully a world war is not required.

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If Chesterton's fence doesn't have a working latch, then it's appropriate to remove it entirely.

We know for a fact (like actual empirical fact) that FDA prevents vast numbers of unsafe and ineffective drugs from reaching the market. This is absolutely indisputable. So uhhh, maybe we think in reality instead of offloading to metaphor.

The whole “let’s paint a general principle with a broad brush over this highly nuanced thing I know nothing about” is a huge problem with discourse in our society.

Re: The Collapse of the FDA

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i know this is a very political thing now but i've had friends (smart phd people who work industry) very annoyed at the fda for many years, and maybe this collapse is good! the fda started with a noble mission but they've been getting heavy handed. or better cliched - slow handed with getting things certified. you can solve this one or two ways: drop regulation or increase staffing. so many institutions have unnecess…

People tend to be annoyed by things they interact with frequently.

I get annoyed by web development, but I wouldn't want to see the solution be a federally mandated burning to the ground of the HTML standard.

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It really feels like the US is a failed state at this point, but it just hasn’t had full impact yet. Not really sure how all this destruction (in only half a year!) can be reversed in any meaningful timeframe in the future.

I’m not trying to challenge how you feel, but I’ll note that in my social groups people don’t feel this way, life is good, and they also feel confident that they’re well informed. So I’m open to the possibility that lot of these types of feeling, in both directions depending on the political era, is more dictated by environment and media consumption choices and their versions of doom and gloom than reality

It's also possible we're living in the Roaring Twenties. (Checks calendar. Actually kind of appropriate.)

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The FDA's creation was directly triggered by multiple mass poisoning incidents in the early 1900s.In 1937 over 100 people died from diethylene glycol-contaminated medicine, leading to the 1938 Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act that significantly expanded FDA authority.

So it's Chesterton's Fence then.

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not trying to challenge how you feel, but I’ll note that in my social groups people don’t feel this way, life is good, and they also feel confident that they’re well informed. So I’m open to the possibility that lot of these types of feeling, in both directions depending on the political era, is more dictated by environment and media consumption choices and their versions of doom and gloom than reality

Feeling well informed is not the same thing as being informed. Just because it's possible to live in the USA and follow some news without knowing how badly the democratic order is being eroded doesn't mean that all is actually well. Do your friends know about the absolute immunity the Supreme Court invented for the president? Do they know about the illegal deportations that are accelerating? Do they know about the pr…

Just to spell it out it will become necessary in the future to prove that your parents were citizens, so make sure you save your birth certificates and other documents for any children you may have. They won’t automatically be citizens just because they were born here. And they may get rounded up and deported before they can find those documents or have a trial to establish their citizenship.

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As the adage goes, "regulations are written in blood". The problem is the blood was spent before many people can remember (or bother to remember). They just know the "limitations" imposed by those regulations and therefore want to get them removed.

They also would like it if occasionally everyone reviewed legislation in light of whether it actually had a positive cost-benefit. The claim has to be something significantly more valuable than a few 100 people dying from poisons each year for the thousands to millions of deaths caused by inefficiencies in the biomedical industry. 3,000,000 people die in the US each year right now. Optimising the medical system for n…

I remember the Tylenol hysteria (in the 1980's?) when there were a few poisonings.

It may well be that the legitimate drug manufacturers benefit from tight regulation by the FDA. They can give them legitimacy when the public may otherwise overreact.

I'm not sure an anything-goes environment is going to be something they're going to enjoy. Oh well.

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I wish someone would convince RFK that prescription drug ads are bad for his brand of quack medicine. We could at least get rid of that societal cancer while the rest is torn down.

I’ve heard RFK say that it’s hard to ban TV ads for drugs. They are “speech” according to the 1st amendment, or something like that. Too bad. News broadcasts are full of those ads, and hence TV journalists are loath to investigate the people that pay their salaries.

It's not and that's bullshit from RFK.
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