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Re: The Collapse of the FDA

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Post by sorcerer-mar » Tue, Jul 15, 2025, 3:07 AM UTC

monero-xmr wrote: post #29

sorcerer-mar wrote: post #27

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Government agencies that spend massive amounts of tax dollars while accomplishing nothing and being net-negative for society. Anyone who has worked for or dealt with the government for extended periods of time will clearly know how fucked it is

Anyone who has worked in drug development knows how vital FDA is.

The FDA costs taxpayers less than $4 billion per year.

If FDA is a net negative, next time you need a medication you're aware you can go participate in a Phase I study, and get paid to take a cutting edge drug for it? Why bother looking at the stuff on the medicine shelf that costs you money?

Can you give us all an idea of your experience working with government, and especially FDA?

Re: The Collapse of the FDA

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Post by stevenAthompson » Tue, Jul 15, 2025, 3:08 AM UTC

clumsysmurf wrote: post #8

“FDA’s war on public health is about to end,” Kennedy wrote. “This includes its aggressive suppression of psychedelics, peptides, stem cells, raw milk, hyperbaric therapies, chelating compounds, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, vitamins, clean foods, sunshine, exercise, nutraceuticals and anything else that advances human health and can’t be patented by Pharma." Anyone know what chelating compounds he is talking about…

"We do our peers, countrymen, students, and children a grave disservice by admonishing them to think for themselves without also giving them the critical thinking tools to do so, for in so doing we foster a culture where "independent thought" is equated with "contrarian thought". This gives rise to an anti-intellectual, anti-science paradigm that supports an idea not because it meets a basic standard of evidence, but rather simply because it opposes established thought. This is worse than the intellectual calcification that stagnant "herd thinking" would give rise to, because it doesn't simply halt progress — it puts it in full retreat."

Re: The Collapse of the FDA

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Post by kevin_thibedeau » Tue, Jul 15, 2025, 3:09 AM UTC

I wish someone would convince RFK that prescription drug ads are bad for his brand of quack medicine. We could at least get rid of that societal cancer while the rest is torn down.

Re: The Collapse of the FDA

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Post by monero-xmr » Tue, Jul 15, 2025, 3:14 AM UTC

sorcerer-mar wrote: post #31

monero-xmr wrote: post #29

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Government agencies that spend massive amounts of tax dollars while accomplishing nothing and being net-negative for society. Anyone who has worked for or dealt with the government for extended periods of time will clearly know how fucked it is

Anyone who has worked in drug development knows how vital FDA is. The FDA costs taxpayers less than $4 billion per year. If FDA is a net negative, next time you need a medication you're aware you can go participate in a Phase I study, and get paid to take a cutting edge drug for it? Why bother looking at the stuff on the medicine shelf that costs you money? Can you give us all an idea of your experience working with…

Should allow pharma to sell drugs to the market. Allow people to sue if they are harmed. Do not care about a government agency preventing access to new drugs. They can gatekeep government funds at best, limiting Medicaid / Medicare to those that want to pass their hoops

My experience is in selling tech to government. Disgusting and corrupt.

Re: The Collapse of the FDA

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Post by nine_zeros » Tue, Jul 15, 2025, 3:14 AM UTC

monero-xmr wrote: post #29

sorcerer-mar wrote: post #27

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Government agencies that spend massive amounts of tax dollars while accomplishing nothing and being net-negative for society. Anyone who has worked for or dealt with the government for extended periods of time will clearly know how fucked it is

> Government agencies that spend massive amounts of tax dollars while accomplishing nothing and being net-negative for society. Anyone who has worked for or dealt with the government for extended periods of time will clearly know how fucked it is

This is only true of republican governments. Republican-led governments are truly appalling in their spending, and wasteful tax cuts. Democrat governments are far far more efficient, effective, and work for the people.

An example of this is one beautiful bill which literally increased deficits while giving nothing of value to people but the biden-led inflation reduction act literally created new energy infrastructure without increasing deficit.

Re: The Collapse of the FDA

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Post by baggy_trough » Tue, Jul 15, 2025, 3:17 AM UTC

sorcerer-mar wrote: post #22

baggy_trough wrote: post #6

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Can you speak directly to what you're referencing, please?

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Re: The Collapse of the FDA

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Post by andrewflnr » Tue, Jul 15, 2025, 3:21 AM UTC

sorcerer-mar wrote: post #23

umeshunni wrote: post #4

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That's how most oppressive regimes end. Sometimes faster.

What's oppressive about FDA? Be specific.

They obviously weren't referring "specifically" to the FDA at that point.

Re: The Collapse of the FDA

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Post by monero-xmr » Tue, Jul 15, 2025, 3:21 AM UTC

nine_zeros wrote: post #35

monero-xmr wrote: post #29

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Government agencies that spend massive amounts of tax dollars while accomplishing nothing and being net-negative for society. Anyone who has worked for or dealt with the government for extended periods of time will clearly know how fucked it is

> Government agencies that spend massive amounts of tax dollars while accomplishing nothing and being net-negative for society. Anyone who has worked for or dealt with the government for extended periods of time will clearly know how fucked it is This is only true of republican governments. Republican-led governments are truly appalling in their spending, and wasteful tax cuts. Democrat governments are far far more e…

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Re: The Collapse of the FDA

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Post by mcphage » Tue, Jul 15, 2025, 3:26 AM UTC

monero-xmr wrote: post #26

nine_zeros wrote: post #5

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It’s easy to hand out money when you are not the one paying, and have no consequences for success or failure. Feeling justified and righteous is the icing on the cake

> you are not the one paying

We are, though.

> have no consequences for success or failure

Oh, the consequences for the failures of this administration will be felt by everyone, for decades.

Re: The Collapse of the FDA

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Post by mcphage » Tue, Jul 15, 2025, 3:30 AM UTC

monero-xmr wrote: post #29

sorcerer-mar wrote: post #27

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Government agencies that spend massive amounts of tax dollars while accomplishing nothing and being net-negative for society. Anyone who has worked for or dealt with the government for extended periods of time will clearly know how fucked it is

> Government agencies that spend massive amounts of tax dollars while accomplishing nothing and being net-negative for society.

I’ve spent my entire career working for wasteful companies who accomplish nothing and are net-negative for society. The government at least picks up my garbage every week.