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Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by RIMR »

potato3732842 wrote: post #13

The entire framing of this article fact that we don't even know the name of whoever he was trying to protect tells you a lot. Clearly we're not meant to be upset that fed-cops can behave this way generally, we're meant to be upset that they dared treat another agent of the state, a more equal animal, the way they'd treat a common peasant who got similarly uppity. Caring about these generalities is outside our lane.

>that we don't even know the name of whoever he was trying to protect

YOU may not know the man's name, but people who read at least the first four paragraphs of this article will know that his name is Edgardo.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by tootie »

incomingpain wrote: post #63
stingrae wrote: post #22

It is insane that federal agents are allowed to roam around in masks, without ID and just arrest people.

They arent. They need probable cause to arrest just like any other law enforcement. If they just arrest you because you're annoying or fake charges. You can sue them for deprivation of rights.

CBP has no authority to arrest citizens. They would have to be assuming Lander is undocumented and they clearly have no reason to suspect that.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by dragonwriter »

potholereseller wrote: post #53

The actual title of the acticle is "Brad Lander Detained by Masked Federal Agents Inside Immigration Court". Contrary to the current title here on HN, Lander was not arrested for asking to see a warrant; TFA states the opposite, "It wasn’t immediately clear what charges, if any, the mayoral candidate will face. A spokesperson for ICE didn’t immediately return a request for comment." If an event is so important to kno…

He was, in fact, arrested for asking to see a warrant, that is clearly documented.

The claims of assault that DHS fabricated and published on social media and via other channels after the fact to justify it, of which there is no evidence, before Lander was released without any charges are interesting in terms of understanding the current regime's propaganda propensity, but have nothing to do with explaining the events clearly captured on video.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by bobthepanda »

nemomarx wrote: post #48
haswell wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scale of the protests means the protests are already working. They’re as much about spreading awareness and mobilizing the voting public as they are about current events. I don’t see a connection between their efficacy and what happened in Minnesota, which was an event that is arguably all the more reason to protest.

Good strategy if voting is still allowed in 2028, not super useful if political violence bubbles over into a coup or such. The scale of the protests is encouraging, but I remember the mass protests under Bush were about as large, and the war continued and he stayed in power. Organization needs to do something with the mass of people who are out in the streets to direct them.

The real bellwether will be what happens in House elections in 2026.

Trump was already divisive enough that the Republican majority in the House shrank in 2024.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by chneu »

duxup wrote: post #49
mlsu wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another thing that is troubling is that immigration law is sort of a parallel system to normal criminal law. The rights for the accused are lesser and obligations for officers are more lax. The burden of proof is lower. It's easier to get warrants and the rules of evidence are more relaxed. There is a parallel authoritarian system being built up, starting with the creation of DHS in 2001 and ending god knows where. T…

Agreed, ICE seems like a natural org to begin extra legal actions with, fewer limits, you just claim you're doing immigration things and put the accused on a more oppressive track.

Like it's seriously Nazi shit. This is police with extreme powers. All they have to say is "We thought they were illegal" and nothing will happen.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by acdha »

potato3732842 wrote: post #65
woodruffw wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's the point of the article -- I suspect it's more that the average New Yorker reading this NYC news site already knows who Brad Lander is. (You can also easily imagine why it wouldn't be ideal to publish the name of someone who is actively being harassed by masked thugs.)

>(You can also easily imagine why it wouldn't be ideal to publish the name of someone who is actively being harassed by masked thugs.) If I were being mistreated by enforcers I would want my name anywhere and everywhere. Public scrutiny is one's only hope when government seeks to mistreat you.

Consider the degree to which we’ve already seen vigilantes attempting what they term immigration enforcement, targeted assassination of political enemies, a president pardoning those who commit violence on behalf of his causes, and federal law enforcement repurposed to harass opponents or hustle inconvenient arrestees out of the country where they can be held incommunicado. It seems pretty reasonable to me to that many people without a huge degree of privilege would want to avoid the risk of drawing fire like that.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by timr »

sillyfluke wrote: post #95
haunter wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's HN not /r/politics A lot of us doesn't come here to read about US internal politics

>Because it's HN not /r/politics Poltical stories that show "evidence of some interesting new phenomenon" are not against the guidelines. A few years back someone said nearly half the YC batch was non-US. I think stories about city comptrollers and mayoral candidates getting arrested at immigration court would have some bearing on whether someone would want to base a company in the US. A user who has enough karma to…

> Poltical stories that show "evidence of some interesting new phenomenon" are not against the guidelines.

Call me evil and obtuse, but this is neither interesting, nor new. The only thing new here is that (it seems) a huge swath of people are learning how the law works for the first time.

Brad Lander had nothing to do with the situation. He's a politician, and he was there "observing". It's the equivalent if I walked down to the Manhattan courthouse, ran up to the first defendant in shackles I saw in the hallway, and started interfering with their movement. I'd be arrested.

The fact that you, as a random bystander, aren't shown ID and briefed on the situation isn't relevant. If you aren't involved, you aren't involved.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by chneu »

incomingpain wrote: post #63
stingrae wrote: post #22

It is insane that federal agents are allowed to roam around in masks, without ID and just arrest people.

They arent. They need probable cause to arrest just like any other law enforcement. If they just arrest you because you're annoying or fake charges. You can sue them for deprivation of rights.

US citizens have already been arrested and ICE has tried to deport them.

Multiple US citizens in Los Angeles were recently arrested on the street. Whole thing was caught on camera. Dudes are literally yelling, "I'm a US citizen, I was born here" and the ICE folks didn't give a crap.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by someothherguyy »

unyttigfjelltol wrote: post #109
RHSeeger wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like it would be possible for state and local forces (police) to arrest and imprison ICE agents that are acting illegally. Specifically, arrest them for kidnapping when the nab people off the streets. Sure, they'll get out because they can lie and pretend they have cause; but they could be locked up for a while at least. And do it enough, and maybe they'll start thinking twice before acting stupid.

Your outrage is not that ICE is acting illegally but that they are enforcing US law. Having local law enforcement launch some kind of insurrection is the kind of myopic nonsense you would have condemned a few years ago, even months. Heck, for the last 50 years the Imperial Presidency also was a bipartisan consensus. It looks different when it's your ox getting gored, but the solution is actually temperance, restraint…

> Your outrage is not that ICE is acting illegally but that they are enforcing US law.

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/how-ice-sidestep...

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by chneu »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #96
stingrae wrote: post #22

It is insane that federal agents are allowed to roam around in masks, without ID and just arrest people.

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Immigrants commit less crime than citizens

Immigrants actually contribute to GDP because they often work but don't pay taxes.

Your food is affordable because of that cheap labor, which farmers are now having trouble finding.

Quit repeating tired racist rhetoric.

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