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Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by anthk »

jasode wrote: post #120
sshine wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t believe people didn’t stay on Windows 7. It seems to have slid into some always-online ad-filled cloud hellhole since. Office365 is worse than Office 2000. This is the OEM strategy still at play. You gotta hand it to Bill Gates for capturing PCs for decades. People truly don’t care how poor their operating system behaves, because your only other option is to buy a Mac.

>I can’t believe people didn’t stay on Windows 7. Normal mainstream users can't stay on very old operating systems like Windows 7 because they'll eventually be forced to install newer software that's not compatible with it . Outside actors other than Microsoft force os upgrades. - buy a new printer and it only has drivers for newer os like Windows 10/11 and later - need for installing newer software like latest versi…

Windows XP and 7 have Legacy Update and unnoficial Supermium builds among Serpent browser and friends, and OFC with updated system TLS/SSL certs.

http://legacyupdate.net

Also, on more libre software, the community can release LibreOffice and VLC builds like crazy. Ditto with Sumatra PDF, Gimp, Krita...

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by Cyphase »

potemkinhr wrote: post #117
jakeogh wrote: post #46

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No google acct here, I use fdroid and the Aurora store. I have no doubt though that google is working on killing the Aurora store. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41773781

Do banking apps work normally if downloaded from the aurora store? I'd very much like to fully degoogle my next phone when I get to replacing it, and it's the last stumbling stone

I believe there are reasons this isn't a solution for everybody, but I just use the mobile website. Works for me, and probably a lot of people. I'd rather not have the app on my phone anyway.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by sagolikasoppor »

atemerev wrote: post #93
ungreased0675 wrote: post #58

Windows 11 is the reason I’ve returned to Linux after a decade away. Microsoft doesn’t seem to be concerned about killing the golden goose. I wonder if they have data on just how much hostility users are willing to put up with?

The golden goose is now Azure. Windows is (or will be soon) a free complementary OS to make more people use Azure services.

The only issue with that is when you switch to Linux, alternatives to Azure is much more compelling. I would never use Azure services unless I'm on Windows.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by atemerev »

sagolikasoppor wrote: post #143
atemerev wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The golden goose is now Azure. Windows is (or will be soon) a free complementary OS to make more people use Azure services.

The only issue with that is when you switch to Linux, alternatives to Azure is much more compelling. I would never use Azure services unless I'm on Windows.

Well, I do. I still like Outlook, and it works good enough as a web app. Same for OneNote. Azure as the development platform is crazy, of course. But I also have a friend who I respect much, and who is probably a better engineer than me, who likes Azure and completely unproductive with AWS, so _maybe_ that's a matter of taste. Just like tabs and spaces. I prefer spaces, but whatever.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by grishka »

samiv wrote: post #45

I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store. They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.

Mandatory code signing is meaningless without secure boot though, which can't be made mandatory on x86 systems.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by grishka »

soraminazuki wrote: post #11

It's such an absurd lie. If Microsoft's idea of security is to force its users to authenticate online for a local account, they should never be allowed in the software industry at all. They're needlessly and dramatically increasing the attack surface of one of the most security critical software running on user devices.

It's the entire industry's idea of security for the last 10 years or so that the company who made the thing is unquestionably more trustworthy than the users themselves.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by heresie-dabord »

facile3232 wrote: post #96
samiv wrote: post #45

I'm also 100% convinced Microsoft will introduce mandatory code signing at some point and make it so that you can only ever install software from Windows Store. They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Windows is no longer a product for users, the users of Windows are the product for Microsoft to be shoved into the Azure sales funnel.

> They are envious of the Google and Apple walled gardens/cashcows and are now determined to turn Windows into one. Which is perplexing, because this is essentially the opposite strategy than what gave windows value to begin with.

> Which is perplexing, because this is essentially the opposite strategy than what gave windows value to begin with.

Consider how much has changed since the first 25 years of MSFT. Both in business and in life in general.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by grishka »

bsdetector wrote: post #10

In October when Windows 10 support ends it'll finally be the year of desktop linux.

I'd like to remind you that there are still millions of people around the world using Windows 7 daily. The fact that some software is no longer supported by its developer doesn't mean it stops working somehow, or becomes radioactive.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Post by benhurmarcel »

Szpadel wrote: post #36
brokegrammer wrote: post #29

A while ago, I needed to get into safe mode to rescue a laptop that wouldn't boot. Since it uses Windows 11, I originally logged in using my Microsoft Account and a Windows Hello pin. Safe mode doesn't load wifi drivers and the laptop didn't have an ethernet port, so I couldn't log in to my Microsoft Account to get into Windows safe mode. Didn't have a dongle with ethernet port at that time, so I had to backup the dr…

wait, you need internet connection to even login? this means root cannot use computer when you do not have internet connection for any reason?

That’s not the case. I have a Windows 11 computer around, set up with a Microsoft account and Windows Hello, and I can log in just fine without internet connection.
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