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Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by throwawayk7h »

koakuma-chan wrote: post #117
throwawayk7h wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. I think I was unclear -- my point is that whether or not you agree with the E.O., you must surely agree it makes travel to the U.S. difficult for transgender travellers, right? And that's a problem for the conference.

Source?

I'm not sure for which aspect you are looking for a source. Erin Reed raised the alarm about the potential visa interruptions, as reported here:

[1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/marco-rubi...

If you're wondering why transgender travellers don't have documentation that matches their birth sex, it's because (gender identity aside) it's usually more important for documentation to match one's appearance. Documentation that doesn't match one's appearance can lead to questions, delays, and confusions. I have no source for this.

If you're wondering why it's a problem for the conference, I don't have a source for that either. But from the tech conferences I've been to, I generally have observed a higher proportion of apparently transgender people than baseline. So by hosting in the U.S., the conference could potentially miss out on many transgender foreigners participating.

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Post by qingcharles »

mplewis wrote: post #123
gabaix wrote: post #42

> Some have been tortured. Is there any evidence of this?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det... Everything felt like it was meant to break you. Nothing was explained to us. I wasn’t given a phone call. We were locked in a room, no daylight, with no idea when we would get out.

I just did 10 straight years of this. No daylight is common if the facility is strapped for land to build outdoor areas, or is inside a city where looking in or out would be discouraged. The hand towels they give you for showering suck.

I tried suing over those, but even though there is a statute saying they must be bath towels, laws in the USA don't necessarily have to be followed. There are two types of laws, mandatory and directory. Directory laws are laws that are just "if you wanna" and don't carry any weight. A large majority of laws governing prisoner rights are these type of laws and there is no enforcement mechanism when they are broken. [ironically these laws specifically use the word "shall" in their wording, but in most jurisdictions "shall" is legally read as "may" in the USA]

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Post by smatija »

perching_aix wrote: post #103
dtquad wrote: post #89

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Not all EU countries are the same. I would avoid Hungary, Slovakia, and former Eastern Germany (except Berlin).

Why?

Hungary probably due to Orban, while Slovakia has ultra-nationalistic party in coalition.

I would evade Germany, Austria and also Italy in general, due to common racism against slavic people.

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Post by p4coder »

tossandthrow wrote: post #30
anfilt wrote: post #17

RISC-V moved to Switzerland as well a while ago. I think it's a shame to see stuff like this happening. Regardless, of where one stands currently in the current environment making standards bodies want to move or move events to other countries is not a good.

Regardless of the political situation, the EU is probably a more friendly environment for a standards body taking their stance in interoperability into account.

It depends on your citizenship. Some European countries reject 50% Indian Schengen visa applicantions.

https://www.cntraveller.in/story/these-3-countries-rejected-...

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Post by michaelsshaw »

graeme wrote: post #41
oldgradstudent wrote: post #23

Is this a parody? > Beyond problems at the border, the current Secretary for Health and Human Services - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - has said that he will send those with ADHD to camps. Source: Futurism. What he actually said: > "I’m going to dedicate that revenue to creating wellness farms — drug rehabilitation farms, in rural areas all over this country," he said during the podcast. "I’m going to make it so people can…

The full quote extends that to adderal. To be clear he said the wellness farms would be for those who want to go, and he's describing a massive undertaking that you'd see coming before it was implemented. But he was definitely talking about ADHD. This tweet has the short video of him actually including adderal. https://x.com/MotherJones/status/1816180369110270435

Obviously I'm super into giving the trump admin the benefit of the doubt. It's like, the number one thing that I like doing.

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Post by andy-p »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #116
spartanatreyu wrote: post #93

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> This is just activist extremism. There’s no threat to anyone’s safety. The US is perfectly safe to visit. Except the link you're responding to is literally linking to reports of threats to safety. > Activists who are in opposition to the US presidency are overreacting to a few lone cases of people being detained at borders without knowing the details of those situations. We know more than enough to point out that i…

> Except the link you're responding to is literally linking to reports of threats to safety. Typically when you break laws in a country, for example violating the terms of a visa, you face consequences. For everyone else, there’s no issue. But none of this is a “threat to safety”. Again, this is activist hyperbole. > We know more than enough to point out that it shouldn't have happened at all. You don’t know any real…

AllSides correctly lists The Guardian as 'Left'. By adding 'far' to your characterization I can only assume you wish to advertise your own biases and / or denigrate the publication. It is a reputable newspaper with a long history of journalism awards - an appropriate example being this: https://www.theguardian.com/gnm-press-office/2023/jun/23/gua...

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Post by whacko_quacko »

silisili wrote: post #40
nialse wrote: post #33

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In a historical context “wellness farms” is understood as a euphemism for concentration camp. It’s free but you can’t leave.

If you talk to a parent of a child who OD'd, most commonly of fent these days, they all have this thought. What if I took them somewhere remote where there are no drugs and didn't let them leave? My heart hurts for them, but I have no idea if it's a good idea or not. Regardless, I think his heart is in the right place. Time will tell whether or not it's actually useful.

I had a drug problem once, and di something like that. It helped a lot. If there's no way to procure any drugs, it takes away a lot of the pain and anguish you feel coming off of drugs.

RFK might be an idiot, but even idiots might be right once in a while

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Post by taneliv »

froh wrote: post #106
vasco wrote: post #68

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It's not after that fact, or any euphemism - this is the exact way the regime tried to pass them off at the time. Germany called the concentration camps luxurious places to hangout and learn skills and rehabilitate, with post office, frequent movie screenings, a swimming pool, nice beds. The reality was much different as we know. They did have a small pool on the grounds for show. https://www.splcenter.org/resources/…

wow. TIL.

Good for you! If only things like this were taught in schools so that by the time people find Hacker News, they'd already know about them. We would be having entirely different conversations.
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