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Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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I have a goal to get rid of all US based software. I already replaced some services but I will continue to look every chance I get. This is the best thing to ever happen to EU based tech companies.

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I enjoy a good heckling probably more than most people, but this is just mean and thoughtless.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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I was pondering in why the EU never really got targeted directly like Canada and Mexico with Trumps tarifs. I think this is it. And it would be incredibly bad for US tech billionaires if the EU started to move home all these contracts.

Nothing so rational, I'm sure. Tariffing Canada was already insane and he didn't care.

Your point exactly - why didn't he do the same to the EU?

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Dump Office and Teams. Easy to do and a great start to move outside of Windows OS. LibreOffice is perfect, and government officials wont govern better or worst, if their PowerPoint presentations don't have the latest MS fonts....

LibreOffice calc is barely usable for the smallest spreadsheets. Google sheets is better, but comes with its own set of issues and dumb limitations. Excel is at this point in time irreplaceable.

Genuinely curious. Can you elaborate?

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Lets see if they put cash where there mouth is they should have been pouring billions of dollars into opensource software instead of paying Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Oracle etc in the first place. Europe countries have been client states of the USA for decades and just do whatever USA wanted first time USA has hurt their own interests so are waking up to the fact.

Europe actually has put a bunch of money into open source software. Things like Mastodon come from the EU. Look up the projects funded by NLnet: https://nlnet.nl/project/index.html

But European open source projects tend to be, you know, open source, so they don't get nearly as much marketing attention as things which have a billion dollars spent on marketing.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Data and cloud sovereignty has been a theme in Europe for many years. Most efforts to develop European 'clones' of popular US services have had mixed successes (compared to China for example).

Number of declared meetings with EU officials since 2014: Google (381), Airbus (318), the European Automobile Manufacturers Association (241), and Meta (235)

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/02/24/big-tech-banki...

The documents from Uber released a few years ago revealed a lobbying effort by some EU officials. In that context growing homegrown options will be difficult:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-62057321

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Called it, again . Data sovereignty is the true trend of the next decade. Not Quantum, not AI, but the new multi-pole world order divesting from Americentric technologies and back into the sort of locally-grown economies that children of the Cold War would be familiar with. Local vendors serving local needs with a focus on regional, not global, scale and service. Us Cassandra types have been screaming for years that…

Would love to see a ditching of not just tech in favor of homegrown options. I admit that I was initially on the globalization bandwagon, but in hindsight it resulted in products being made in countries with the cheapest costs which led to a decrease in quality and the destruction of smaller, more local businesses. Go to a tourist area anywhere in the world and you'll be confronted by the same businesses--Starbucks,…

> countries with the cheapest costs which led to a decrease in quality and the destruction of smaller, more local businesses.

So, you alone declare that it has led to these things so everyone should isolate and drive up costs and share less? I get that we can't let the free market go unchecked, but free trade seems fundamental to competition and innovation.

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I love the idea of a bit of inspiration and invigoration of tech in Europe. But for some reason Estonia is the only country that can execute on this, I don’t know why. The rest of Europe loves their bureaucracy too much.

I like Estonia, but if their approach was valid it not can only be judged after the Russians tried to disable all those shiny new digital services or the American decide to invalidate all IT contracts or the Chinese’s mandate Chinese’s products don’t work in Estonia.

Paper works even if the electricity goes away and we have to live in caves again … or bunkers.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Called it, again . Data sovereignty is the true trend of the next decade. Not Quantum, not AI, but the new multi-pole world order divesting from Americentric technologies and back into the sort of locally-grown economies that children of the Cold War would be familiar with. Local vendors serving local needs with a focus on regional, not global, scale and service. Us Cassandra types have been screaming for years that…

>the US Government could disrupt “business as usual” or turn into a hostile state actor a la China

You typed this on hardware made by a hostile state actor: China.

As long as the hardware side of digital civilization is completely dependent on the Chinese communist regime, I certainly don't worry about American tech companies dominating the software side.

There are alternatives on the software side if you want them, meanwhile try to build a computer system without hardware made in China..

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