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Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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The question no one asking is why Elon is sending a team of teenage programmers and not a team of financial auditors if he really wanted to cut government spending?

Reporting on this is terrible. There are also senior (in age and experience) people, but much of the focus is on the youngins for obvious reasons. Musk also believes (either arrogance, or true belief) that much of this stuff can be figured out from first principals without much need of traditional experts.

What do mean by stuff?

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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And now musk is calling for the impeachment of Judge Paul Engelmayer who blocked his department from accessing government payment/financial systems. https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5134725-elon-musk-impe... This should be mandatory reading for everyone who argues this is just fine: https://www.amazon.com/They-Thought-Were-Free-Germans/dp/022...

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>"I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price," Schumer, who was then minority leader, said at the time. "You won't know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions."

This was during the overturning of Roe v Wade.

I can pull out statements from Greene suggesting execution as a quicker way to remove Nancy Pelosi.

But Greene perhaps is just too easy. Trump has had some choice words too, eg after the inaugural prayer service, he called the reverend a "Radical Left hard line Trump hater"

And lest people forget, the right - globally - plays offense. We would all love a truce for sure, I'd love to see it happen.

Edit: I’ve seen this happen in a few threads. Examples of uncivil things being said by democrats.

Except the examples are shorn of context, and typically it’s under a situation of immense duress. The Dem base today would want their representatives to say more forceful things - if only to reach PR parity.

Elon is hoping to impeach a judge, who is enforcing the law, and what remains of the balance of powers.

Saying this politely doesn’t pardon the act, nor does it delegitimize genuine outrage from an outrageous event.

Losing reproductive rights, creating a global security crisis, are disastrous things.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Their next move - and the Rubicon none of us can uncross - will be defying the court orders that are inevitably issued to stop the flagrant criminality Once they defy those, it’s done. The enforcement of federal laws including court orders requires the Trump justice department to act. And his first moves (naturally) were to fire all oversight people, install extremist hardcore loyalists at the top, and fire anyone un…

The administration need not defy court orders. Federal judges can be impeached and removed, with loyalists installed. Already, there are enough Trump-appointed judges on the bench where it won't take long for a judgment in the administration's favor to be reached.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Ignoring the horrifying political parts, I think one aspect here about data access that is inherently worrying is that it seems like all usual controls were bypassed and the DOGE people had very low level access to systems. So there are probably copies of sensitive data now in their possession, and nobody knows exactly what was copied and where it is stored. This kind of access would be dangerous even in the hands of…

Also apparently huge scores of data was just dumped into a Microsoft hosted LLM [1]. So that data is (a) publicly available if you don't secure your VPC properly and (b) available to anyone without RBAC or request logging. This is an extraordinary degradation of the level of private and security controls. [1] https://www.firstpost.com/tech/elon-musks-team-at-doge-feedi...

The primary source for this is from The Washington Post - https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/02/06/elon-musk-d...

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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The biggest irony to me is that Musk wanted to reneg on the Twitter sale. It's interesting to consider the timeline where he was allowed to not buy it. Truly a "canon" event, that one. I'm also not convinced this is a "security breach." They're being allowed to do it. It's more like an unforced error, if anything. Not that it changes anything material about the situation. That said - a small majority of congress is c…

> I'm also not convinced this is a "security breach." They're being allowed to do it. It's more like an unforced error, if anything. Not that it changes anything material about the situation.

From the perspective of the owners of this data, the US citizens and others that live in the country, this is very much a security breach; the data that was supposed to be secure is no longer secure.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reporting on this is terrible. There are also senior (in age and experience) people, but much of the focus is on the youngins for obvious reasons. Musk also believes (either arrogance, or true belief) that much of this stuff can be figured out from first principals without much need of traditional experts.

What do mean by stuff?

> not a team of financial auditors if he really wanted to cut government spending?

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

#148
I'd much rather Krebs actually looked into the theft of taxpayer funds by USAID, with all its "shrimp treadmills", "Iraqi Sesame Street", "transgender mice" and regime changes. I want to get to the leaves of that tree and see who really got my money. Everything else is immaterial and should be ignored as targeted attacks on their mission.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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post #39

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Their next move - and the Rubicon none of us can uncross - will be defying the court orders that are inevitably issued to stop the flagrant criminality Once they defy those, it’s done. The enforcement of federal laws including court orders requires the Trump justice department to act. And his first moves (naturally) were to fire all oversight people, install extremist hardcore loyalists at the top, and fire anyone un…

  "All of us should take a moment to acknowledge all the Peter Thiel-adjacent folks in this community who drove us directly to this moment"
This is why this community in particular needs to be talking about these things instead of flagging them as irrelevant to the hacker ethos, as if we don't have direct responsibility for what's going on right now.

"Move fast and break things" is a culture we promulgated. Yes, me, you, everyone commenting here. The people we looked up to for years - mentors and thought leaders - are the ones planning and directing this effort. Hackers apparently are the ones implementing it. If we want to talk about it in our cultural terms, these guys are imo acting like black hats and we need to grapple with that.

Clearly we as a community are not ready for these conversations, but flagging them and burying them isn't going to make the need for them go away.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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The biggest irony to me is that Musk wanted to reneg on the Twitter sale. It's interesting to consider the timeline where he was allowed to not buy it. Truly a "canon" event, that one. I'm also not convinced this is a "security breach." They're being allowed to do it. It's more like an unforced error, if anything. Not that it changes anything material about the situation. That said - a small majority of congress is c…

He was trying to renege on Twitter so he could renegotiate the $52 price after the stock market came off its highs. To me the suspicious thing about the Twitter sale is why banks lent him the $13 billion to pull it off. The banks were then unable to move those loans off the books as Elon trashed Twitter's value.
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