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Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Post by tmpz22 »

dogman1050 wrote: post #119

After watching my father die with COPD, it because obvious that euthanasia happens in the US all the time. He opted out of lung-reduction surgery and was ready to die. So the hospital withheld IV hydration and provided a morphine drip and he was gone in 36 hours. How long can one live without water, a few days max? So that's what killed him. My sister-in-law who's a physician told me that's how it's typically done. I…

My dad has COPD and continues smoking. I'm going to go through this sooner than later. I've already made peace with this, I've seen the alternative in other family members and ultimately its the decline in dignity that pushes my moral compass to accept self-euthanasia as a humane option.

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Post by guyzero »

darth_avocado wrote: post #136
guyzero wrote: post #131

My Canadian parents are in their 80's so naturally a lot of their friends of the same age are dying. And two of them have been via MAID. In one case, which was surprising to me, a man who had survived cancer - he was not terminal but certainly wasn't getting any better - elected to die via MAID after his wife died. She passed, he called his doctor and less than a week later he was also dead. He got a chance to visit…

I wouldn’t call someone dealing with cancer and the loss of his wife sound of mind within one week of the loss.

He had apparently expressed his intention before she passed. I do not know all the details and this is second hand, but he apparently had a plan.

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Post by treis »

gnfargbl wrote: post #75
SapporoChris wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"They relayed an example of a person who had spent their last days vomiting fully-formed faeces." Sounds like a fully-formed exaggeration. Vomiting once or twice a day is not spending your last days vomiting. More frequent vomiting? The supply could not possibly meet the demand. Especially if the patient stopped eating.

You can listen to the account yourself at https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00253mt , from around 25 minutes onwards. I found it convincing.

It doesn't sound particularly possible.

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Post by barbazoo »

stronglikedan wrote: post #130
dathos wrote: post #30

My grandma always told me when she couldn’t go on her walks anymore she didn’t consider life worth living. When she got dementia she was placed in a closed hospice, to “protect her”. Now she only walks when I visit, and I only see a shell of the woman she was. Anecdotal of course, but why do people think it’s an ethics question when society is individualistic as can be? There is no choice in being born, why don’t we…

> why don’t we get a choice in when we leave? Because dead folks don't pay taxes.

So which one is it, the government assisting in deaths too often or not enough, it can't be both at the same time.

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Post by drjasonharrison »

darth_avocado wrote: post #136
guyzero wrote: post #131

My Canadian parents are in their 80's so naturally a lot of their friends of the same age are dying. And two of them have been via MAID. In one case, which was surprising to me, a man who had survived cancer - he was not terminal but certainly wasn't getting any better - elected to die via MAID after his wife died. She passed, he called his doctor and less than a week later he was also dead. He got a chance to visit…

I wouldn’t call someone dealing with cancer and the loss of his wife sound of mind within one week of the loss.

Details left out of the anecdote may have included a natural death after a long period of illness. Or it may have been a sudden death.

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Post by barbazoo »

tivert wrote: post #85
ben30 wrote: post #13

Fifteen years ago, flying into Vancouver, a local told me charities would give homeless people one-way bus tickets there from colder regions of Canada to prevent winter deaths. No return tickets in spring. Calls into question what we consider "charitable" when the solution is just moving vulnerable people elsewhere. Worrying parallel: will euthanasia become another "solution" for those who can't afford proper care an…

> Worrying parallel: will euthanasia become another "solution" for those who can't afford proper care and treatment? Moving homeless people to warmer cities and offering euthanasia to those who can't afford treatment both avoid fixing the underlying problems. Almost certainly. IIRC, in Canada there have already been cases where people got euthanasia mainly because their disability payments were insufficient.

Extraordinary claims... what's the evidence for that?

Re: Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Post by darth_avocado »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #132
afh1 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no "we". There are people and their bodies and their wishes. And authoritarians who want a say on it. Doesn't matter if nice sounding words like law and democracy are used to describe the tyranny.

Reality is much messier than "There are people and their bodies and their wishes." There are whole categories of people who we consider not well enough to make good choices about their bodies and lives, for a variety of reasons Children are not emotionally mature or responsible enough to make such choices Mentally ill people are sometimes in an altered state of mind where they are not making good decisions that are c…

Mental health is one I can relate to. There were times when my loved ones struggling with mental health would absolutely go through with assistance euthanasia if they had it available. Years later they are living a much better life but at that point in time, euthanasia would’ve ended it.

I think bodily autonomy is necessary but not everyone is able to make the right decisions at all times. Legislation needs to account for that.

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Post by reverendsteveii »

bad angle shot here:

>Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

>While the number of assisted deaths in Canada is growing, the country still falls behind the Netherlands, where euthanasia accounted for around 5% of total deaths last year.

1/20 != 5% ???

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