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Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

brabel wrote: post #120
Brechreiz wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

anti liberal influence operations do not promote hard progressive perspectives.

Wild guess: they could because the best way to make people more conservative is to make liberals look more and more extreme. These things go in cycles, when the pendulum shifts too far to the left or to the right, it tends to swiftly move back the other way, and so the cycle continues. Example: the far right tries to depict the left as degenerates who want to make all children gay just because they support introducin…

Russia actually works both sides to become more heated. During the 2016 election they created facebook groups for pro and anti abortion groups and organised them to be in the same city at the same time.

I think they're also trying to break the wests spirit in terms of faith in democracy and the state of the world right now for policy and political/military advantage. In my eyes the US is currently one big foreign infleunce experiment right now via facebook

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

pjc50 wrote: post #96
whearyou wrote: post #53

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It’s a minor effort compared to the hundreds of millions Iran, China, and Russia have spent for a decade on influence operations. Those get little air time in hard progressive or far right spaces since these anti liberal influence operations mostly promote hard progressive and far right perspectives.

Struggling to imagine what a "hard progressive" space might look like or even why this is a bad thing. (Twitter tankies are annoying, but mostly on their own initiative)

Lemmy ml. Go there and you will understand why it might be a bad thing.

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

Brechreiz wrote: post #62
whearyou wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a minor effort compared to the hundreds of millions Iran, China, and Russia have spent for a decade on influence operations. Those get little air time in hard progressive or far right spaces since these anti liberal influence operations mostly promote hard progressive and far right perspectives.

anti liberal influence operations do not promote hard progressive perspectives.

Their main goal is to break the wests spirit and culture. Russia is very culture driven in its policy and goals, with ukraine being largely ideological https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/comment/topic/2024/06/29...

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by flanked-evergl »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #137
flanked-evergl wrote: post #92

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You're right this is HN not 4chan, because none of the things you said have actually happened here and people can easily have good respectful debate. It feels like you're attempting to use this as a way to silence debate around the country of origin rather than anything else

It did happen: https://archive.ph/KT4q8 and to be quite frank, that is just the most egregious example and this thread is anything but respectful debate with statements like "I've taken to using it because i feel uncomfortable even naming them a lot of the time" and implying that HN is somehow afflicted by institutional corruption.

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

ajkfah wrote: post #63
whearyou wrote: post #53

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It’s a minor effort compared to the hundreds of millions Iran, China, and Russia have spent for a decade on influence operations. Those get little air time in hard progressive or far right spaces since these anti liberal influence operations mostly promote hard progressive and far right perspectives.

Hundreds of millions, you say? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/10/sheldon-adel... https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-mega-donor-adels... I'm pro-Israel, but the current Israel government is widely called far right by the mainstream media , so I don't not know what to make of your comment at all. If you talk about general influencing: It has been known for decades that the USSR and its successors…

Does the current government seem to be the one its voter base voted for? I'm acutely aware of the backlash it's getting but I'm interested to know.

And anti meritocracy seems to be a very effective idea to push, I was more considering shattering faith in the future and changing policy personally.

Also account created 2 hours ago and only comment is on this israel post^

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by flanked-evergl »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #136
elorant wrote: post #121

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Except you know that isn't the case on HN because we still have a good standard of conversation and respect

There is litterally a response to you that claims that Jews make bread out of babies: https://archive.ph/KT4q8

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by saagarjha »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #122
saagarjha wrote: post #93

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No they're not. You're the top comment on this post, despite contributing very little to this discussion. Israel and the geopolitics around mercenary spyware coming out of that country is a very regular occurrence on this site. Despite a few instances of people trying to downplay the connection or redirect the conversation, there is ample discussion of this topic. I know this because I follow this topic closely and r…

It obviously wasn't the top comment when I posted it. When I came into the discussion most were about not attributing it to the state in question despite no evidence either way, and downplaying it. And, the fact that my comment has come to the top means that it has seemingly resonated with a lot of users with similar experiences (~+70pts). If you do actually follow the topic very closely, or read one or two comments…

There is a large difference between "Israel participates in online propaganda" and "Hacker News conversation about spyware shies away from discussing the country it originated from".

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by saagarjha »

boffinAudio wrote: post #128
saagarjha wrote: post #111

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In that case I would suggest that 't0lo provide us with receipts considering that most of us are not skilled enough to detect these efforts

To adequately address this claim, we (the general HN public) would need to be able to access all of the metrics regarding censored/downvoted-into-oblivion articles on HN related to Israel/Mossad/Gaza/War Crimes/etc., and we all know that there is only one individual with such power, and its not exactly in their job description to reveal to this audience just how far and wide the obfuscation/censorship goes ..

Again: I keep track of mercenary spyware pretty closely. Almost all major stories in this area end up on the front page within hours or days of them breaking, especially if they have significant new information in them. I am not an expert on any topic that touches Israel but this is the one I watch and I see no reason to believe there is suppression of this topic. If someone is acting to try to keep this away from the site, then they are evidently fairly ineffective at it.

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by miohtama »

bawolff wrote: post #115
OhioMan2943 wrote: post #77

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Well, do you have anything interesting to say about the political implications? Because i'm not sure what they are. If we knew who was responsible, we could talk about motive and implications of that, but we don't. I guess we could consider the broader picture of if this represents an increase on spying on civil society leaders (a bad thing, certainly), but without a base rate to compare with, it seems like conjectur…

The political implications are that the politicians in the EU are disliking Israel because it is commercially profiting from spying them.

Re: EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware

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Post by miohtama »

octopoc wrote: post #110
biasedjournal wrote: post #91

the spyware and other cyberattacks get published very selectively everybody is constantly a target of attacks but what makes it to the news is the journalist choice

But, who sent the attack is the news. Sure we’re always bombarded with attacks by random cyber gangs, but when you’re targeted by an organization with official credentials that tends to raise some eyebrows.

Also if you are profiting from spying your allies is generally frowned upon.
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