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North Korean animation outsourcing for Amazon, HBO Max series
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#142If you are outsourcing over the entire globe things like this tend to happen. There is very little you can actually do to verify how the work you require really gets done, especially if the format is purely digital and there is no physical process you could monitor. Companies building things in China have been caught in that trap multiple times and somewhere down the line the work was allegedly done by highly mistrea…
It's really easy though, actually, isn't it? Just don't toss problems over the fence to China. i.e. don't outsource things.
Sure. You can avoid all of this by doing the work in house or even just working with companies bound by the same laws as you are. Obviously management doesn't see it your way though.
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#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, but "outsource it to a bunch of companies who then outsource it" is literally how the economy works. The most mundane product you can imagine has a network of upstream suppliers that is essentially incomprehensible in its complexity.
At some point maybe stop outsourcing and just do the work. Boeing used to make airplanes. Now they outsource the work of "make the airplanes" and all it cost them was their reputation. Less outsourcing, more just doing the work please.
Ok, so you expect the airline to mine the ore to make the tools needed to mine the ore needed to make the aluminum used in the packaging of the snacks they give out on board?
Think about exactly where this ends.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It isn't. Well __I__ can visually distinguish a username more easily with @ in front of it. Just the same way as I, and many others, use various typographical marks to indicate various things. It does also make a *manual* thread search easier. I feel reasonably confident that the vast majority of people doing this are not expecting @dang to be pinged, but are just using it either due to habit and/or a visual indica…
It's not that big of a deal, the main problem with it is people assume this is actually a way to get moderator attention for something. It's great that you don't but plenty of users don't know that nor are they aware of the reliable method of emailing hn@ycombinator.com. The other, probably more important reason not to do it is that it gums up threads with pointless meta which runs against the site conventions. If a…
> The other, probably more important reason not to do it is that it gums up threads with pointless meta which runs against the site conventions.
It seems like we are complaining about the same issue. Again, why does this conversation exist since it has clearly been established that I am aware and that anyone reading is aware. If you got a problem with how I use typographical indicators, sorry, I'm going to keep doing it. You can keep starting these metas if you want, but it seems hypocritical to me. I'll just stop responding to prevent more metas, because I've been given no indication that anyone thinks it actually pings @dang other than people who get upset at people using "@". Seems like a classic assumption, where people try to solve a problem that doesn't exist (or exists in a very small percentage).
And as you can read, I did not start with @dang. It was an edit, and into the edit. And as you can read, I was going to send an email but then saw several users note they did, so wish to not spam the email any more.
I think we're done here and have derailed the thread enough. I don't think anyone's opinion is changing, and that's perfectly fine.
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#145So it looks like Season 3 of Invincible is a go.
It's a little ironic considering part of season 2 has some meta commentary on how hard it is to create animated shows. Guess the easy way is to indirectly outsource it to NK!
And even more ironic given it was the story that made season 2 such a disappointing bore-fest - the animation was superb!
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Classic 'two steps removed' syndrome. "I told X to get it done. What X did to get it done is not my fault/responsibility."
You're oversimplifying the issue, which does nothing to bring us closer to a solution. If you tell X to get something done and ALSO give X rules that they must follow and X gets the thing done but __breaks the rules__ then this is different. It is also different if you have reasonable suspicion to expect them to break the rules or are using subversive language to tell them to break the rules. These are different thin…
I'd go further to say that rules without any verification aren't really rules. You don't make a rule without the suspicion that it'd be more efficient to break them, and if you're not verifying their adherence to those rules, your rule is meaningless.
This is the iterated game that morally bankrupt manufacturers (IE the vast majority) play to insulate themselves in these sort of scandals: - First, they get caught doing A,B,C, so they pass rules about A,B,C - Then they outsource to someone who is willing to do A,B,C, then they get caught outsourcing to violators - Then, they impose rules about A,B,C on these firms, but do no verification of the firms adherence to those rules. It insulates them of liability without ever increasing costs (because the firms still get to break the rules and the company gets to say "I'm Shocked! I told you not to do that!")
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Don’t outsource. If this were codified into law I would suspect that it would quickly lead to monopolization. I can't imagine how the world would work without contractors. Imagine if Apple had to operate the mines, build the machines to mine the materials, to build the machines to build those machines, build the silicon foundry, and all the things along from dirt in the ground to the iPhone. Boy, you'd get nothing…
Sure, having suppliers is completely inevitable for any company. "We only do X" is one of the best tools to manage complexity. I think what the other poster is referring to is specifically the practice of companies to have work done by workers in areas of the world where labor is cheap. That particular practice is something very different than e.g. buying chips from a foundry. Specifically buying parts from q supplie…
> I think what the other poster is referring to is specifically the practice of companies to have work done by workers in areas of the world where labor is cheap.
Sure, but part of what I wanted to (albeit indirectly) convey is the difficulty of creating a meaningful rule about this. Even if you locked work within a country's borders (I imagine this would have terrible consequences too), this concept scales.
I understand the complaint, but I think we need to also recognize the complexity of the issue if we're to do anything meaningful about it. Trivializing it will get us nowhere and often leads to bad laws that get more abused than the original ones.
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, but "outsource it to a bunch of companies who then outsource it" is literally how the economy works. The most mundane product you can imagine has a network of upstream suppliers that is essentially incomprehensible in its complexity.
At some point maybe stop outsourcing and just do the work. Boeing used to make airplanes. Now they outsource the work of "make the airplanes" and all it cost them was their reputation. Less outsourcing, more just doing the work please.
Even when you “stop outsourcing and just do the work”, you’re just subtracting a ~4 bit integer from a ~16 bit integer.