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Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by mratsim »

singhrac wrote: post #95
formerly_proven wrote: post #56

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The majority of residential rates (about 40 ct/kWh) are taxes and levies, not the actual price of the electricity. That's why industrial rates can be less than half of residential rates.

I think "taxes and levies" is a bit true, but also you pay for distribution. If your power line goes down in your neighborhood, you basically just grumble but it gets fixed. In wholesale connections you pay for the distribution power line (+ maintenance) basically up front, but it doesn't get put in the final wholesale bill. This isn't to say your local utility isn't wasteful with its ratepayer money; it totally can…

Or for some there is a national base price.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by sph »

fragmede wrote: post #106
tiffanyh wrote: post #62

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Yes. This is what you expect prices to be when a vendor is buying in bulk. Cloud vendors should be like "Costco" (buy servers in bulk and can pass along those savings & this is what Hetzner does) The trick AWS (and other cloud vendors have done), is charge "Uber Eats" pricing for Costco items.

That's a really clever analogy, but is it really a trick? UberEats delivers the food to my door but if I go to Costco I have to make my dinner myself. Sometimes life happens and UberEats isn't just a convenience thing, it's the only way I'll manage to feed me and my crew. I could run a pubsub queuing system and a database myself, but if I don't have to do that, it frees me up to focus on the tasks I'm really trying t…

That's fine, but I think it is a bit reckless to tell everybody that grocery shopping is useless and we might as well order from Uber Eats three times a day.

Which is basically what happens with everyone terribly afraid of managing VPS that these days it's only AWS, Azure and GCP. First the excuse is "it's too small to bother doing it myself", then it becomes "it's too large to run it ourselves".

Some can afford 3x daily Uber Eats, but we should stop discouraging home cooking. It is not that scary.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by Shorel »

ramesh31 wrote: post #69

Does every European tech company have some kind of committe that ensures their customer facing website looks like a decrepit ASP page from 2004? I mean what explains this? It's a billion dollar corporation and I am having serious reservations about whether I would even enter my credit card info on this site.

I was going to seriously disagree with you, and then I looked at their source code.

It's awful.

I would still buy from them because their reputation trumps any concerns.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by qeternity »

rthnbgrredf wrote: post #138
treffer wrote: post #134

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Last time I checked the GCP prices vs. hetzner servers there was a factor of 10 in monthly cost. So I cant say this is a general rule of thumb. It is true though that hetzner can provide superb performance per $. Potentially below what you can do (unless you buy racks of hardware). Also keep in mind that hetzner is mostly a beowulf cluster. See e.g. this press picture from their newsroom page: https://cdn.hetzner.com…

To be fair, companies that merely launch VMs on GCP constitute a small fraction. GCP truly excels when you leverage its object storage, BigQuery, managed postgres database (which starts at 7$/month), and serverless solutions for cloud-native applications. Our company operates around 500 services, with billing per second, and a significant number of them are scaled down to zero when not in use. If you need a GPU for a…

> To be fair, companies that merely launch VMs on GCP constitute a small fraction.

I think you would be surprised.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by 15457345234 »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #55
Scotrix wrote: post #46

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Have been in deep contact with data centre and rental server offerings in the past, there is a crazy large amount of fraud going on, e.g. 2 hours for free means 2 hours free resource to DDOS.

I don't want it free. I want to put $2 on the account. Try the server and decide after using the server.

You're basically describing the internet-scumbag use pattern - bounce around providers and servers using nothing for more than a few hours at a time and making tiny charges to (other people's) credit cards that won't trip fraud controls because they look like verification charges.

There are very very many reasons to prohibit exactly that type of usage pattern.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by 15457345234 »

hipadev23 wrote: post #139
dr_faustus wrote: post #122

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Trustpilot is a scam which encourages bad reviews to force companies to buy their paid plan to “manage” those bad reviews and to feed it good reviews.

Hetzner is also a fraudulent operation with zero support in my personal experience. But as you can see in this thread alone, any negative feedback is magically silenced. It sucks. Maybe we go back to webhostingtalk?

Negative feedback is silenced?

Dude the characteristic feature of Hetzner threads on HN is a bunch of people in the comments moaning about having to scan their passport or repeating the 'they just turn your servers off with no warning' line.

In fact it's so prevalent and consistent - at least here - that to my eye it looks to me like black PR. Or that they're really good at rooting out internet scumbags and that the internet scumbags are unhappy about it.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by hipadev23 »

15457345234 wrote: post #146
hipadev23 wrote: post #139

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Hetzner is also a fraudulent operation with zero support in my personal experience. But as you can see in this thread alone, any negative feedback is magically silenced. It sucks. Maybe we go back to webhostingtalk?

Negative feedback is silenced? Dude the characteristic feature of Hetzner threads on HN is a bunch of people in the comments moaning about having to scan their passport or repeating the 'they just turn your servers off with no warning' line. In fact it's so prevalent and consistent - at least here - that to my eye it looks to me like black PR. Or that they're really good at rooting out internet scumbags and that the…

I run a legitimate non-sleazy business in the US doing mid 7 figures a year. It’s not a “line”, it was the reality of an attempt to do business with Hetzner.

I’ve never had any serious issues with other vps, colo, dedicated, or cloud providers in 25 years as an employee of many companies or as a business owner: only Hetzner.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by rstuart4133 »

aborsy wrote: post #23

The price of a brand new Dell precision PC with a core i9 13900 CPU (24 cores), 64 GB RAM and 2X2TB NVMe is probably around 2.5k$. It costs tens of Euros per month in electricity to run this PC. The hardware is good to go for some 3 years, before running into various issues (newer CPUs becoming much more power efficient, firmware updates getting less and less frequent etc). Consider also the cost of components failur…

On purchase price alone you are usually better off not renting. Given a server generally comes with 5 years warranty, you are about 50% better off on those figures.

However, the killer isn't the purchase price. You have to put it somewhere with a lot of bandwidth, UPS, generators and cooling. To use your Hetzner example, you can't get co-lo for less than $119. That's 14U, which is more than you need for one server of course, but then there are usually charges on top of that.

So yes, for small installations it's hard to beat renting. You need to be using several racks for the equation to tilt towards purchase.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by syntaxing »

petercooper wrote: post #30

I've just ordered one to ditz around with. We're early in the process of deploying our own internal server for Mixtral work, but it'll be interesting to see how this performs (in raw terms, almost certainly worse, since we can roll out a 4090 without getting into trouble – but Hetzner has a better connection and handles the maintenance, so..) Order has been accepted but not deployed yet. I'll update when I have some…

I never deployed it professionally but wouldn’t getting a Mac Studio be a better run for your money if you’re only inferencing?

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by lobito14 »

dmaa wrote: post #113

It looks like a good value for money, but immediately after registering, I get this reply "After reviewing your updated customer information, we have decided to deactivate your account because of some concerns we have regarding this information. Therefore, we have cancelled all your existing products and orders with us." Someone has a similar experience? I've tried it twice, filled everything truthfuly, valid credit…

Hetzner has one of the worst customer support I've ever seen. Get really, really, faraway from this company.
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