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Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by nyokodo »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #122
foverzar wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The matter of "fairness and/or arbitrariness" is entirely subjectivist. Visiting a foreign culture is always a dance across a minefield if you are careless and don't bother researching how to be a proper guest. For example, experienced tourists from my country visiting the US recommend thoroughly researching the rules and protocol of interacting with the police, including properly managing your body language and bein…

>Is it a fascist police state, or just a different set of expected behavior patterns? Unequivocally yes, it absolutely is a fascist police state by any definition of the notion, even when compared to other notoriously authoritarian states. Sure, many countries have their flaws and legal quirks, but to claim legal ambiguity about the status of China despite absolute mountains of evidence to the contrary on all kinds o…

> a pre-genocide Nazi-type state

The CCP treatment of the Uighur is unequivocally a genocide. They are not pre-genocide anything.

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by ecshafer »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #137
airgapstopgap wrote: post #117

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Do you not consider that Huawei "executive's" detention (actual makes for a similar case against Canada? It was a purely political move, Meng Wanzhou was detained on grounds of a broader anti-Huawei campaign by the US.

Meng committed a crime she knew she wasn't supposed to commit Do you not consider that China retaliating by arresting arbitrary civilians from a totally different country and ransoming them back for their criminal executive is wrong?

A Chinese company sells to Iran. America says they can't and asks (Tells) Canada to arrest Meng. This seems more than a little illogical.

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by richbell »

ecshafer wrote: post #142
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meng committed a crime she knew she wasn't supposed to commit Do you not consider that China retaliating by arresting arbitrary civilians from a totally different country and ransoming them back for their criminal executive is wrong?

A Chinese company sells to Iran. America says they can't and asks (Tells) Canada to arrest Meng. This seems more than a little illogical.

> A Chinese company sells to Iran. America says they can't and asks (Tells) Canada to arrest Meng. This seems more than a little illogical.

A Chinese company sells American hardware and software to Iran. They intentionally helped Iran bypass sanctions, and lied to institutions like HSBC because they knew they'd get in trouble.

There is nothing illogical about the USA being upset about that and wanting to pursue legal action.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-iran-sanctions-exc...

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by foverzar »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #122
foverzar wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The matter of "fairness and/or arbitrariness" is entirely subjectivist. Visiting a foreign culture is always a dance across a minefield if you are careless and don't bother researching how to be a proper guest. For example, experienced tourists from my country visiting the US recommend thoroughly researching the rules and protocol of interacting with the police, including properly managing your body language and bein…

>Is it a fascist police state, or just a different set of expected behavior patterns? Unequivocally yes, it absolutely is a fascist police state by any definition of the notion, even when compared to other notoriously authoritarian states. Sure, many countries have their flaws and legal quirks, but to claim legal ambiguity about the status of China despite absolute mountains of evidence to the contrary on all kinds o…

> Nazi-type > Nazi

It gets harder and harder to take this kind of rhetorics seriously these days, especially the last few years - everyone labels everyone else they don't like as "nazis".

This is borderline Nazi apologizm. They recycled people into furniture, butchered millions based on genetics alone.

I honestly couldn't care less for that westsplaining about China at this point (or any other culture European civilization considers foreign), especially after seeing how does the receiving end of some darker western politics looks like.

Honestly, that xenophobic supremacism is so tiresome. Being an outside observer I hardly see white European descendants doing too much better. What I do see is extreme circejeeking, projections and boring 2 minutes hate at every other corner, while having disappointingly little substance to show for, when you visit and check out their way of living personally.

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by foverzar »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #116
foverzar wrote: post #105

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On the other hand, making an unconscious wrong move when interacting with a cop in America can legally get you killed on spot. My whole point is that it is entirely subjectivist and boils down to whatever people are used to. If you want everything to be the way you are used to - maybe traveling just isn't your thing and that's ok.

I spent 9 years living in China, not traveling, so I know what I’m getting myself into. It isn’t just what people are used to, there are significant differences. For however dangerous American cops are, china is the only place I actually saw someone die before (in a traffic accident, the secret to having a safe trip to China is to be careful crossing the street and don’t run red lights on your bike) China is worse no…

> It isn’t just what people are used to, there are significant differences.

But that's the whole point!

I don't understand this sensationalism, tbh.

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by foverzar »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #130
foverzar wrote: post #60

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And miss making a personal impression of a country surrounded by so many myths? Good advice for people scared of their own shadow, bad advice for everyone else. Because honestly: > The typical reasons for the Chinese government imposing an exit ban that prohibits a foreigner from leaving China is for allegedly committing a crime, allegedly owing money to a Chinese company, or being in some other sort of dispute with…

Russians use diplomacy passports for their spies. It's not ironic that they are being checked extra while they are threatening with nuclear war every week :)

Who said anything about green passports?

> It's not ironic

In the context of the narrative the OP article pushes - it is. But this is arguing perspective, which is pointless in the culture this forum is centric to.

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

foverzar wrote: post #147
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #136

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No it can't.

Yes it can, but whatever, I know I can't force insight on desperate naivite

No it can't, but whatever, I know you'll never put forth a convincing argument to substantiate your ridiculous claim

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

ecshafer wrote: post #142
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meng committed a crime she knew she wasn't supposed to commit Do you not consider that China retaliating by arresting arbitrary civilians from a totally different country and ransoming them back for their criminal executive is wrong?

A Chinese company sells to Iran. America says they can't and asks (Tells) Canada to arrest Meng. This seems more than a little illogical.

Do you not consider that China retaliating by arresting arbitrary civilians from a totally different country and ransoming them back for their criminal executive is wrong?
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