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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by alephnerd »

dingledork69 wrote: post #113
alephnerd wrote: post #96

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Those sites hosting degoogled Roms might be blocked themselves by the ISP. In addition, certain countries may require you to run approved Roms, and if you don't you can face prosecution. This has been done in action in India with ISPs like Jio to block TPB for example. Remember - any traffic over the internet can be logged by your service provider (eg. ISP, VPN, etc)

Sure, and when they release the mind reading necromancers we'll all be totally screwed, too.

Mind reading Necromancers (probably) don't exist, but every example I listed above has already been deployed in a piecemeal manner in various countries the last 10 years.

Mass File Sharing Blacklisting has been enforced by Indian ISPs since 2019

VPN+ISP traffic log sharing has been enforced in Kazakhstan (along with SSL stripping)

Blocking Tor downloads has been implemented already (with varying levels of success) plus attacks to deanonomize Tor have started occurring since 2021.

Turkïye has implemented ISP Whitelisting ostensibly for Children but the same core technology can be extended to everything - https://internet.btk.gov.tr/guvenli-internet-hizmeti

App Store restrictions and region locks have existed in Mainland China since the early 2010s.

It's very easy to tamp down and censor internet based communications. Individual corporations have the capabilities to apply such censorship if they wanted to, let alone ISPs.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by alephnerd »

selimthegrim wrote: post #129
alephnerd wrote: post #116

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Unrelated, but did you find that book I mentioned?

I had to condole a friend’s widow in San Francisco and I did not have time to make it to that neighborhood but next time.

Oh my. My condolences.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by int_19h »

screye wrote: post #121
windex wrote: post #83

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Unfortunately, India today is not exactly a beacon of righteousness. The current government in India is taking the country on exactly the same path as Pakistan except that India has an oligarchy which is being setup by people in government which would make it more like Russia. I'll give the country 10 years to implode if it doesn't course correct to become more inclusive, social justice oriented, and less violent.

I'll give the country 10 years to implode I am willing to take a bet for any $$ value with 10x odds in your favor to contest that claim. more inclusive, social justice oriented, and less violent Hot take. If you genuinely cared about these things, you'd end up a supporter of the Modi Govt. I do not mind views that are diametrically opposite to me. But, every article in western media seems to be written by someone who…

Are you claiming that BJP under Modi isn't pushing for "Hindutva", or that the latter is somehow "more inclusive" than the policies that preceded it?

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by syedkarim »

Scoundreller wrote: post #73
mlyle wrote: post #11

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Maybe the internet as a whole is intractable. But perhaps we can get a meaningful digest of snapshots of the important stuff that can work over slow links, intermittent links, and one-way links? Perhaps we can mechanize the selection of important content. The real question is how you do this in a way that doesn't encourage one-sided propaganda, sybil attacks, etc. I'm reminded of systems like Secure Scuttlebutt and t…

I think Othernet is really cool. Don't even need a big dish. In 2kbps, they fit in RSS news feeds (BBC, Al Jazeera, Boing Boing, and others), APRS messages, WikiNews, global winds report, a daily Voice of America news report. Currently only works in Europe and North America, but nice to know there's a middle-of-no-where service that doesn't require a sub that gives you some barebones info from the outside world. Ther…

Wow, thanks for the compliment. Let me know if you have any ideas on how to make it useful to a wider audience.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by screye »

kumarvvr wrote: post #125
screye wrote: post #103

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Not exactly. The brits were to blame for process of partition (or lack there-of). The haste, wanton disregard for life, the casual approach towards the largest refugee crisis in human history was certainly avoidable. They were also to blame for further exacerbating divisions via divide-and-conquer. But the divisions already existed. The idea of a Muslim state had had been stewing for decades in certain circles. It wa…

> The brits were to blame for process of partition Yeah, no. They took advantage of the divisions created in the population based on religion. Divisions created by Islamic fundamentalist parties.

That's why I pointed to the 'process of partition'.

The border-lines were drawn by a man who had never visited India over a few months. They withdrew all state machinery overnight, and somehow expected 2 nations born into war to fare alright. Did they expect millions to cross borders and leave their homes behind without any resulting repercussions ? How is a country (Pakistan) divided in 2 by its biggest enemy (India) even supposed to work ? How are Sikhs supposed to live if the borders go right through their fields, dividing their 2 holiest sites ?

Animals when kept in captivity, cannot return back into the wild without supervision. Systems of govt are no different.

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Post by 1024core »

darth_avocado wrote: post #131
1024core wrote: post #118

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Batteries? Solar power?

In theory sure, but practically, it won’t. Even in the US, only 15% of households have any backup at all [1]. That number it drops even more in the rest of the world. And to add to it, just having a backup isn’t enough if the outage is sustained for a longer period of time. For the rest of the world, especially countries like Pakistan, solar power or a battery backup is out of reach for the majority of the population…

> Even in the US, only 15% of households have any backup at all

That's because people in the US rarely, if ever, lose power, so there's no need for backups.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by Spooky23 »

skeaker wrote: post #6

I would like to believe there is a future where blocking access to the internet is unilaterally impossible. Major powers being able to pull the rug on what has become a foundation of modern society like this is too scary of a thing to allow. What could the answer be? Satellite-powered relays and DIY-able user devices to talk to them?

You need some controls. The death of licensed broadcast and high capital investment media like newspapers has damaged society. The notion that modern Nazis would have access to thousands of people was absurd in 1983. In 2023 it’s reality.

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Post by SllX »

robocat wrote: post #110
tiedieconderoga wrote: post #30

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You'd need more than an internet that could not be shut off. You'd also need an internet where communication could not be tracked. One of the most effective ways to maintain an authoritarian regime is to proactively prevent a critical mass of revolt from forming. You just need to keep a steady low volume of arrests and disappearances going for people who express discontent. If not enough people are actively expressin…

History also shows that creates instability. Everyone knows what is going on and keeps the status quo, but a shock (often external) occurs to ignite the dry wood, and disruption erupts. Demonstrations and riots can be healthy releases of tension in democracies. Bottle-in the regular microquakes, and you get devastating earthquakes instead.

Demonstrations? Sure. There's nothing healthy about riots for the communities being rioted in.

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Post by [deleted] »

1024core wrote: post #146
darth_avocado wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In theory sure, but practically, it won’t. Even in the US, only 15% of households have any backup at all [1]. That number it drops even more in the rest of the world. And to add to it, just having a backup isn’t enough if the outage is sustained for a longer period of time. For the rest of the world, especially countries like Pakistan, solar power or a battery backup is out of reach for the majority of the population…

> Even in the US, only 15% of households have any backup at all That's because people in the US rarely, if ever, lose power, so there's no need for backups.

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