Guess I’m not buying a Chevy EV after all
GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash
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Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
I personally love CarPlay. A requirement for my next vehicle is wireless CarPlay, and I will not even begin to consider it if it does not have that. Some people want ventilated seats or a V8. I want CarPlay. I think this is a very silly move by GM that they will quickly reverse.
I love CarPlay but I’ve given up on wireless. The idea seems nice, but in practice I have two issues. First CarPlay just takes a fair amount of power so you’re going to notice it’s effect on battery life. Second is the audio playback lag. I can’t stand it. It feels like seconds (though maybe it’s not that bad). The interface is ok but hitting pause or play or next track takes noticeable time to happen. I’ve only ever…
Wireless CarPlay in my 2022 Kia EV is way less enjoyable than wired CarPlay in my 2005 Toyota with an aftermarket Sony head unit with CarPlay support. Latency is much, much lower in the Toyota and there's never any trouble with switching between my iPhone and my wife's. Whoever's is plugged in wins—the end. As opposed to the Kia where it's always a crapshoot and plagued by endless Bluetooth connectivity issues.
Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash
#143How does this business decision make sense? A car is a high-margin item, so the impact of even a handful of consumers choosing not to buy must be huge, right? Whereas, they would need to "monetize" (ugh) many many more units to turn back that lost profit. And as the shakeup due to EVs begins, even loyal consumers will be considering other makes. My girlfriend bought a car recently. CarPlay was not negotiable for her,…
GM is expecting $20-25 billion in annual subscription revenue by 2030. Dropping CarPlay and Android Auto will definitely lose them many sales. They are betting the lost sales will be less than the new subscription revenue.
I’ve got an idea for GM cars: lock passengers inside after every trip unless they pay $5. Instant revenue. I can’t believe they haven’t considered this.
Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash
#144How does this business decision make sense? A car is a high-margin item, so the impact of even a handful of consumers choosing not to buy must be huge, right? Whereas, they would need to "monetize" (ugh) many many more units to turn back that lost profit. And as the shakeup due to EVs begins, even loyal consumers will be considering other makes. My girlfriend bought a car recently. CarPlay was not negotiable for her,…
Simple. Money. OnStar costs between $25-50 per month. Say the car lasts 15 years, that's $4500-$9000 over the life of the car, and this is all at an extremely high profit margin. Even if some people won't buy the car if it doesn't have Carplay, it's worth it because of how profitable selling services is, because people don't do the mental math on the cost.
I can’t help but think of it as a kind of exchange that sells the long term value of the brand for short term profit.
Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
CarPlay is also a requirement for me. Wireless not so much. The adapters are pretty good these days.
Recommendations? I purchased a device that lets me watch video in the head unit (runs Android and uses CarPlay protocol), and adds wireless CarPlay. However, it's shocking at how slow it is at going into CarPlay mode.
I bought this 2-3 years ago https://cplay2air.com and it has always worked wonderfully. It takes around 5 seconds to connect, which is fine for me since the entertaining system of my car it’s slow to startup anyway (totalling ~10 seconds from turning the key to carplay)
Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash
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10-15 seconds is an eternity. I can switch the bluetooth phone connected in a 10 year old car in 10-15 seconds.
10-15 seconds is an eternity. I can switch mine in about 1-2 seconds. Any reason why you seem to be slow?
1-2 seconds is an eternity. I can switch mine in about 0-1 seconds. Any reason why you seem to be slow?
Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
CarPlay and AndroidAuto don’t give the car any access to the phone data and that’s the “problem” GM seems trying to “fix”. CarPlay and AndroidAuto protocols basically treat car’s display as a remote framebuffer.
There's been some controversy about data collection going the other way the Android side. https://www.motortrend.com/features/13-cool-facts-about-the-... > As part of the agreement an automaker would have to enter with Google, Porsche said certain pieces of data must be collected and transmitted back to Mountain View, California. Stuff like vehicle speed, throttle position, coolant and oil temp, engine revs—basically…
Its a shame that OBD2 information would be shared with Google, but not the driver. I would like to see performance data on my car in real time that is more comprehensive than what is displayed on the dash. Also, restricting typing and voice input only are two of the biggest annoyances I have with carplay. It would be easier to let me stop at a light and type or pinch and zoom for maps, but the car monitor is very, very limited compared with using an iPad. If they remove these features, I'll just get a computer stand with place it over the monitor in my next car.
Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash
#148Remember Nokia?
They were not greedy Big IT. Instead the defined Bluetooth as standard. The Result? My iPhone can talk with me in my Audi A4 (B8,2008). And even music because refit Bluetooth. And? Because the screen is set back in the center console (luckily no touch) I can place my phone there and use it for navigation.
Need for CarPlay? 0
Need for Android Auto? 0
:)
Carmakers should tell Apple and Google that they should come again with a free of charge standard remote protocol. SPICE or something similar. And carmakers with repeating fees? Don’t buy.
Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash
#149Android auto and car play are both really bad user experiences. They are just better than what most car companies can build, which is a very low bar. Here's the android auto experience: Take my phone out of my pocket (not that easy when you are already sitting...), turn on bluetooth (I often have it off because it grabs my headphones etc when I don't want it to) and connecting it to usb (where'd the damn cable go? An…
This is a problem with your car.
I drive a car made in 2019, and it has wireless CarPlay. I get in the car, start it up, CarPlay is ready for me in like 30s and I’m ready.
Drove a similarly aged economy car that had wired CarPlay and it was the same deal just the 10 extra seconds to plug in a cable.
I refuse to get a car without CarPlay, even when renting.
Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash
#150Android auto and car play are both really bad user experiences. They are just better than what most car companies can build, which is a very low bar. Here's the android auto experience: Take my phone out of my pocket (not that easy when you are already sitting...), turn on bluetooth (I often have it off because it grabs my headphones etc when I don't want it to) and connecting it to usb (where'd the damn cable go? An…
The majority of the problems you listed here are not possible with Wireless Apple CarPlay or Wireless Android Auto, which are the latest incarnations of the product. Adapters exist for many vehicles that don’t support the wireless versions as well. You may want to make sure you’re familiar with the latest incarnation of the two products before you blame them for issues that have been solved.
What issues are you having with CarPlay? I've had it freeze two or three times, but I think that might have been my phone independently of CarPlay. Other than that the only thing I'd like changed is that my car's head unit was even dumber. I don't it to ask me if I want to display CarPlay. Just automatically do it! It needs to fully embrace that it's just a docking station for phones.