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Khan Academy integrates GPT-4 as every student’s customized tutor

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Post by davesque »

thethimble wrote: post #134
davesque wrote: post #65

GPT-4 definitely seems to be doing better on a lot of benchmarks and that's impressive. But it still hallucinates facts and I don't think anyone really has a good understanding of when and how that happens. Given that, is it really a good idea to be positioning this model as some kind of factual authority figure?

Human teachers make mistakes too - perhaps even at higher rates than GPT in some cases. Instead of isolating a single factor of hallucinations I think you have to also consider the cost and experience quality and make a more holistic judgement on whether these models are good or bad.

Yes, but human teachers can eventually come to understand why they made a mistake. And they probably are more able to communicate how confident they are in their answers. I think that's because human teachers have a mental model that they're working from. On the other hand, we have no idea if transformer models are working from anything like a "mental model."

Just because humans make mistakes (or even as many or more mistakes than machines) doesn't mean the nature or consequences of the mistakes are the same.

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Post by worrycue »

cypress66 wrote: post #81
worrycue wrote: post #67

Am I the only one somewhat alarmed that we are choosing to rely on AIs that are vulnerable to hallucinations so much? Personally I rather have a more limited but reliable tool than a more powerful but unreliable one.

Chatgpt is already more accurate than a lot of my high school teachers.

There is being misinformed and making a mistake when reasoning. Then there is making s** up.

Most humans have the decency to not do the latter while AI (at the moment) freely makes up complete lies when it doesn't have the answer instead of just admitting it doesn't know.

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

worrycue wrote: post #67

Am I the only one somewhat alarmed that we are choosing to rely on AIs that are vulnerable to hallucinations so much? Personally I rather have a more limited but reliable tool than a more powerful but unreliable one.

Don’t expect it to know specific facts but it is excellent at explaining topics

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Post by WASDx »

Buttons840 wrote: post #93
jcims wrote: post #68

I’m sitting on the couch with my new grandson. He’s six months old. What is school going to look like for him over the course of his education? Should be interesting.

My daughter is in 2nd grade and math is her favorite subject. I liked math too. I've looked forward to helping her learn more advance math through the years, but a doubt has entered my mind; will I have any reason to help her?

This sounds like an argument from when calculators were invented. We will keep getting more powerful technologies, and you will need to understand them. What we should be learning will continue to gradually shift.

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Post by webnrrd2k »

aphit wrote: post #34
benkyo256 wrote: post #16

What kind of prompt(s) would yield these results?

I assume the one from the research page would work: "You are a tutor that always responds in the Socratic style. You never give the student the answer, but always try to ask just the right question to help them learn to think for themselves. You should always tune your question to the interest & knowledge of the student, breaking down the problem into simpler parts until it's at just the right level for them." From:…

Now I can get any book I want in the style of The Little Schemer!

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Post by pixl97 »

megaman821 wrote: post #102
cypress66 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chatgpt is already more accurate than a lot of my high school teachers.

My thoughts exactly. What is the baseline here? Teachers already give biased and/or inaccurate information at a rate much higher than I have seen in ChatGPT.

Heh, when Texas dictates what gets into schoolbooks.

"What happened between 1850 and 1960 regarding civil rights"

A: "Oh nothing, it was great for everyone"

History is a mess here. That said it would be nice if it were incorporated with written texts, lessons, and the AI so you can bounce questions off of it.

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Post by pixl97 »

tclancy wrote: post #107
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Khanmigo is enforcing Khan Academy's values Every teacher does that, sometimes intentionally and sometimes not.

But individual teachers don't scale to planet-size. Or at least they didn't used to.

AI Teacher: "And that was how the civil war ended... Now remember kids, the most important thing you can do is be nice to each other and contribute more data and processor time to growing the AI. Thank you, have a good day"

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raldi wrote: post #108
jhp123 wrote: post #32

I've tutored people at times. A good tutor needs to understand the subject very well, so they can not only understand the right answer but also figure out why the student is coming to the wrong answer. I personally think that assigning GPT as a "tutor" is devaluing the real skill involved in tutoring and I doubt it will work out.

My daughter does children's martial arts. Often in the dojo there's an atmosphere where the yellow belts are helping the white belts, the red belts are periodically chiming in, and the black belt adult instructor is free to float around the room supervising everything, giving individual attention where it's most effective, but leaving the lower ranks to take care of the lessons they're capable of giving. In the same…

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Post by lajamerr »

Buttons840 wrote: post #93
jcims wrote: post #68

I’m sitting on the couch with my new grandson. He’s six months old. What is school going to look like for him over the course of his education? Should be interesting.

My daughter is in 2nd grade and math is her favorite subject. I liked math too. I've looked forward to helping her learn more advance math through the years, but a doubt has entered my mind; will I have any reason to help her?

AI can efficiently teach your daughter how to solve math problems, but as a human, you can provide her with the context and understanding of why and what she's learning. AI is great at handling the technical aspects, freeing us to focus on cultivating our uniquely human qualities of empathy, creativity, and critical thinking. Letting the AI teach the how and the human teach the why and what can lead to a more holistic and enriching education.

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Post by pixl97 »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #105
wnolens wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my brief asking ChatGPT question and to rephrase/clarify, it seems at least as good as the average tutor/teacher/TA which for me has been marginally better than warm body rephrasing the theories and working through textbook problems in front of you. And in time, much better. To the point of raising the standard of education for all of humanity with access to the internet. I'd count on it "working out".

I'm 42 and still don't always like asking questions for fear of looking stupid if I ask one the wrong way. chatgpt has none of that because it's just an ai and won't judge me or make my imposter syndrome worse.

Meanwhile over at BingGPT

"You are a bad human"

So yea, I guess a teaching model needs to be aligned in a manner that it doesn't hurt people unintentionally in the judging sense.

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