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Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Post by waqf »

VikingCoder wrote: post #132
waqf wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Google thinks that you and I, who want a search tool that does what you ask for, are a niche market not worth going after. I have no idea whether they're right.

Have neither of you heard of verbatim search? http://insidesearch.blogspot.com/2011/11/search-using-your-t... Or turning off Search Plus Your World? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hf5K14O6Fwc/Twufv9LK1PI/AAAAAAAAAL... No, seriously... Knowing that these two things exist, are you still unable to search what you want to?

Mostly, I'm able to search what I want but it takes me so many extra clicks that I can tell they don't respect my use cases.

For example, if I could I'd set synonym replacement on but turn off assuming I misspelled what I typed. Where's the option for that?

Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Post by rkon »

Kylekramer wrote: post #20

It is quite the jump from “This is the path we’re headed down – a single unified, ‘beautiful’ product across everything. If you don’t get that, then you should probably work somewhere else" to "Agree with SPYW or GTFO". One is an admirable goal for a whale of a company and the other is a stubborn denial of contrary opinions. I thought Pando Daily was suppose to be a "different" tech news site.

Oh, really? The title says "Agree or GTFO" on your screen? Odd, it doesn't look like that at all on mine.

Ever heard of a little thing called hypocrisy? Just curious.

Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Post by moylan »

tnuc wrote: post #124
peterwwillis wrote: post #92

Spent over 20 minutes to disable all of Google's bullshit personalization of search. I swear to Bob, if they shove one more god damn "feature" into Search i'm gonna make my default engine Yahoo.

How did you disable this "bullshit personalization of search"?

i find changing my search from standard google to; http://www.google.com/pda

eliminates instant preview and instant results that really annoy me.

Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Post by p0ss »

lsb wrote: post #24
pg wrote: post #3

You don't have to get a job at another company. You could also start your own.

This seems like the perfect time to relaunch "Larry and Sergey won't respect you in the morning." http://ycombinator.com/ad.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/martindavidsson/96160482

I love the idea, but there is no way I am moving to the US, especially not to start a tech company, even if you pay me. Silicon valley may have a lot of talent and money, and Y combinator is awesome, but I'd rather not deal with the TSA, the DEA and the DHS. Fascist oligarchies are not conducive to startups.

Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Post by VikingCoder »

waqf wrote: post #141
VikingCoder wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have neither of you heard of verbatim search? http://insidesearch.blogspot.com/2011/11/search-using-your-t... Or turning off Search Plus Your World? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hf5K14O6Fwc/Twufv9LK1PI/AAAAAAAAAL... No, seriously... Knowing that these two things exist, are you still unable to search what you want to?

Mostly, I'm able to search what I want but it takes me so many extra clicks that I can tell they don't respect my use cases. For example, if I could I'd set synonym replacement on but turn off assuming I misspelled what I typed. Where's the option for that?

Out of curiosity ...what's an example search?

Where, you typed a word, that looks convincingly like another word had been misspelled, but in fact is correctly spelled - but has synonyms that you want to look for?

Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Post by ArcticCelt »

danilocampos wrote: post #56

A few decades from now, when someone writes up an HBS case study on Google, how will it read? My suspicion is that Google is going to treat us to a very painful object lesson: what happens to your business when you compromise the values of a beloved core product. Here's the thing: having the most complete, most accurate, most relevant search results means never having to say you're sorry. You can add ads, you can do…

Just to confirm what you say about Google trying to be too smart I just searched for "SPYW" because to be honest I have no idea what is that word or abbreviation. So Google decided that I am searching for the word SPYWare and I was no able to find a definition for SPYW. That's why I am reading the comments in case I can guess what it is.

Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Post by joebadmo »

6ren wrote: post #137
pshc wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding your first complaint, I find that 90% of the time the suggestion for a different spelling is in fact the search I wanted. The 10% of cases where I was searching for something obscure do stick out in my mind more, but I'm OK with that. They've optimized for the common case, typos, which is a win overall. I haven't noticed any extraordinary synonym replacements myself, though, the stem's always been the same.…

I've noticed both (typos and stems), and am impressed with how accurate it is. I miss literal search, and then they removed +keyword - but fortunately, quotes do it now. For example, rip and "rip" give slightly different results, with different emphasis within them: https://www.google.com/search?q=rip https://www.google.com/search?q=%22rip%22 Google's predictive search while you type is amazing, especially because it…

However... artificially ranking their own links, ranking that isn't objective, is deadly to the utility of their search, and to their brand. In the past, google products have seemed to rank highly, but google claimed this was their natural rank. What is the evidence against them now?

I think the notion of objectivity in search is a fallacy, and I would hesitate to characterize the addition of social search as artificial inflation, at least not any more artificial than any other part of the algorithm. The fact is: Google has more information about how to rank G+ profiles than any other profiles. That extra information adds google juice. Yes, other social networking profiles are indexed and ranked, but Google doesn't have the appropriate extra information on them that it does wrt G+.

This doesn't seem particularly hard to understand, and I'm not sure how the focusontheuser.org bookmarklet illuminates the issue. I agree that the G+ profiles are probably given too much weight, and that's probably for two reasons: 1. It's brand new and requires more data for calibration; 2. It props up G+ as a product.

From Google's perspective, even if search quality is negatively impacted in the short term while they calibrate and funnel users into G+, as long as in the long term search quality is bolstered by the additional subsequent data, it's a win.

Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Post by Maascamp »

saturdaysaint wrote: post #52
Kylekramer wrote: post #20

It is quite the jump from “This is the path we’re headed down – a single unified, ‘beautiful’ product across everything. If you don’t get that, then you should probably work somewhere else" to "Agree with SPYW or GTFO". One is an admirable goal for a whale of a company and the other is a stubborn denial of contrary opinions. I thought Pando Daily was suppose to be a "different" tech news site.

Given the context, it's not much of a jump. Both the fact that this was said at an event after the "Search Plus Your World Launch" and also the strong emotion implied by "you should probably work somewhere else" indicate that this was mostly about their shift into social.

I would argue that journalists shouldn't be making "jumps" at all. Report and critique the facts not what you think they may imply.

Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Post by untog »

HerraBRE wrote: post #79
Aloisius wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: have there been any success stories of ex-Googlers starting their own companies? I've been under the impression that the few that have had successful exits were bought by Google itself, mostly as talent acquisitions.

Wait, what? It sounds like you are defining success or failure solely in terms of whether there is a big-money exit or not. That seems so... sad. What ever happened to "provides employment" and "provides value to its customers"? Anyway, I'm an ex-Googler who started a company after leaving. It's still too early to say whether we'll be "successful" by any metric, but I'm really enjoying it so far, which is enough for…

What ever happened to "provides employment" and "provides value to its customers"?

Largely depends, I suspect, on the level of VC involvement. Most (all?) would be looking for a big-money exit in the future- just ticking along nicely means their bet doesn't pay off so well.

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