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ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by ilyt »

paulcole wrote: post #22
Aeolos wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a consumer, the USB-C mandate is amazing and I wish it had been given as soon as USB-C became available.

Neat! I guess you’ll be advocating for whatever the next advancement in USB ports is becoming mandated as soon as it’s available, too?

Yes! Changing plug standard every 10 years and some cables that work with everything beats alternatives.

Fuck, imagine if every devices you ever owned for last 30 years needed total of 3 different cables to connect, it would be fucking amazing.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by jonas-w »

registeredcorn wrote: post #87
taspeotis wrote: post #73

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> This browser extension removes cookie warnings from almost all websites and saves you thousands of unnecessary clicks! https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/

The only thing holding me back from using that extension is > In most cases, it just blocks or hides cookie related pop-ups. When it's needed for the website to work properly, it will automatically accept the cookie policy for you (sometimes it will accept all and sometimes only necessary cookie categories, depending on what's easier to do). If there was a way to be assured that 99.9% of the time it hit reject all, i…

Consent-o-Matic [0] tries to solve this. You could even allow specific sorts of cookies. It will (on most pages [1]) fill out these annoying formes based on the preferences you set.

[0] https://consentomatic.au.dk/ [1] https://github.com/cavi-au/Consent-O-Matic#compatible-cmps

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by ilyt »

shagie wrote: post #133
xdennis wrote: post #68

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It's not the EU's fault that you have to click cookie banners. Those banners are only required if a website plans to do malicious things with the cookies. If they're used to track who's logged in, they are not required. They are more akin to the "Do not eat" warnings on silica packs... except on the internet everyone swallows.

> If they're used to track who's logged in, they are not required. https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ To comply with the regulations governing cookies under the GDPR and the ePrivacy Directive you must: Receive users’ consent before you use any cookies except strictly necessary cookies. Provide accurate and specific information about the data each cookie tracks and its purpose in plain language before consent is received. Docu…

> If you want to save a person's login to make it easier for them to log in when they come back? That's not strictly necessary - consent is needed.

The consent is implied in login functionality. Literal example from same article you cited but apparently didn't bother to read in full:

> These cookies are essential for you to browse the website and use its features, such as accessing secure areas of the site. Cookies that allow web shops to hold your items in your cart while you are shopping online are an example of strictly necessary cookies. These cookies will generally be first-party session cookie

Essentially if cookie is effect of user action that would directly indicate it needs storing state (cart, login, stuff like switching themes on page) it is "essential" to that feature and doesn't need consent.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by concordDance »

barrkel wrote: post #74
concordDance wrote: post #64

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> "You cannot get a loan because the AI says so" is not acceptable. To me this makes it seem like acces to loans is a right,in which case the EU should make a lender of last resort that can loan to people who would otherwise get rejected.

How do you leap from banning black box AI decisions to thinking it means everything is allowed?

As the other commentators said, humans are also black box. They can, of course, provide vaguely reasonable justifications but these often aren't the actual reasons and ChatGPT can generate reasonable sounding rationalisations on demand.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by ilyt »

killerpopiller wrote: post #6
user249 wrote: post #4

Good. Thanks to the EU I have to click "cookie question" every where I go. Thanks guys for wasting the limited time I have in life.

micro targeting is a threat to our democracy (cambridge analytica, Facebooks desinformation problem,..). Besides, why should third parties allowed to trade my digital persona, while basically knowing more about my interests and flaws than I am? I hate cookie banner as well but this excessive tracking must be stopped somehow.

Cookie banner is "meant well, turned out badly" law. GDPR kinda fixes few things with it.

Ideally browser should just send "do not track" and site should fuck off with tracking, no questions asked.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by starchild_3001 »

GDPR and DMA that came out of EU internet regulators don't impress me. They make it more arduous to browse the web, reduce the revenue collected by open web (content sites), reduce the quality of internet services, lower the quality of ads, hurt user experience, and hurt businesses who're looking to connect with customers.

Looks like EU will be doing the same with AI, and risk locking these countries out of the benefits of AI revolution.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by layer8 »

shagie wrote: post #133
xdennis wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not the EU's fault that you have to click cookie banners. Those banners are only required if a website plans to do malicious things with the cookies. If they're used to track who's logged in, they are not required. They are more akin to the "Do not eat" warnings on silica packs... except on the internet everyone swallows.

> If they're used to track who's logged in, they are not required. https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ To comply with the regulations governing cookies under the GDPR and the ePrivacy Directive you must: Receive users’ consent before you use any cookies except strictly necessary cookies. Provide accurate and specific information about the data each cookie tracks and its purpose in plain language before consent is received. Docu…

For persistent logins, a simple “Remember me” checkbox is sufficient, see https://law.stackexchange.com/a/32157.

Analytics and marketing tracking cookies require separate consent, that’s correct. I would prefer websites to refrain from attempting such tracking completely.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by shagie »

ilyt wrote: post #143
shagie wrote: post #133

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> If they're used to track who's logged in, they are not required. https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ To comply with the regulations governing cookies under the GDPR and the ePrivacy Directive you must: Receive users’ consent before you use any cookies except strictly necessary cookies. Provide accurate and specific information about the data each cookie tracks and its purpose in plain language before consent is received. Docu…

> If you want to save a person's login to make it easier for them to log in when they come back? That's not strictly necessary - consent is needed. The consent is implied in login functionality. Literal example from same article you cited but apparently didn't bother to read in full: > These cookies are essential for you to browse the website and use its features, such as accessing secure areas of the site. Cookies t…

Which then continues...

> Preferences cookies — Also known as “functionality cookies,” these cookies allow a website to remember choices you have made in the past, like what language you prefer, what region you would like weather reports for, or what your user name and password are so you can automatically log in.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by lillecarl »

latency-guy2 wrote: post #100
kazen44 wrote: post #90

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> Americans own around half of all global financial wealth. Americans also had the privileged position of being located on a continent that has friendly neighbours, has extensive natural resources at its disposal, and half the continent did not get leveled during two world wars. Not to mention, most of the financial wealth is bound up in dollars (mainly because of the aforementioned historical reasons), which in term…

The EU before they were unioned spent much of their time colonizing the world for quite a few centuries, where has your empire(s) gold gone? We were never on equal footing in the first place, to beg for it now shows you never planned on there being equal footing at all.

https://youtu.be/BubAF7KSs64

Indeed, the US has always had a geographic upside.

Re: ChatGPT broke the EU plan to regulate AI

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Post by anigbrowl »

int_19h wrote: post #125
anigbrowl wrote: post #102

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And I'm saying that that's a foolishly narrow focus to determine who should get to shape internet policy.

I think the point is that EU's attempt to shape internet policy is not going to get far if most companies with whom the consumers actually interact are not from EU. "Should" doesn't enter into it.

Every business has a website. GDPR compliance, albeit nominal, seems widespread, or there wouldn't be so many complaints about acknowledging cookies.
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