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Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by jsemrau »

pjc50 wrote: post #118
px43 wrote: post #58

Imagine a world where the only content you see is from publishers that you trust, and that your friends trust, and their friends, to maybe 4 or 5 hops or so, and the feed was weighted by how much they are trusted by your particular social graph. If you start seeing spammy content, you downvote it, and your trust level from that part of your social graph drops, and they are less likely to be able to publish things tha…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advogato tried something pretty similar and ultimately died. Arguably Twitter with non-algorithmic timeline and a bit of judicious blocking worked really well for this, but even that's on the way out now. > Any time you publish anything, you're signing that publication with a key that only you hold. People could in theory have done this at any time in the PGP era, but never bothered. I'm…

An actor with a monetary incentive will always aim towards maximizing their financial outcome.

Who wouldn't?

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by dmonitor »

px43 wrote: post #58

Imagine a world where the only content you see is from publishers that you trust, and that your friends trust, and their friends, to maybe 4 or 5 hops or so, and the feed was weighted by how much they are trusted by your particular social graph. If you start seeing spammy content, you downvote it, and your trust level from that part of your social graph drops, and they are less likely to be able to publish things tha…

just look at reddit to see how quickly self curation devolves into complete and utter garbage

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by fnordpiglet »

brookst wrote: post #2

Not a super well thought out article. Example: lots of speculative complaints that ChatGPT will lead to an explosion of low quality and biased editorial material, without a single mention of what that problem looks like today (hint: it was already a huge problem before ChatGPT). Ditto with the “ChatGPT gave me wrong info for a query” complaint. Well, how does that compare to traditional search? I’m willing to believe…

The difference is we can improve the AI to be more accurate, and I suspect before long it’ll generate better content than a human would that’s verifiable with citations. There may come a time where writing is done by a machine much as a calculator does our math. But knowledge maybe shouldn’t be canonically encoded in ascii blobs randomly strewn over the web - maybe instead of accumulated knowledge needs to be structured in a semantic web sort of model. We can use the machine to describe to use the implications of the knowledge and it’s context in human language. But I get a feeling in 20 years it’ll be anachronistic to write long form.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by dom96 »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #22

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

Agreed. At this rate isn't it just a matter of time before AI can easily get past CAPTCHAs? At which point someone will make the decision to start creating "organic" content advertising their product by getting an AI to write it at crazy speed across many different social media. Then the trick of appending "reddit.com" to Google search will die and we will begin to wonder if we are talking to real people on HN.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by chias »

ozten wrote: post #136

Each webpage should express a piece of metadata that is content-quality. * primary - The content on this page is a primary source * secondary - The content on this page is high quality, but which is primarily research based and may thus be tainted by unknown sources * bot - The content on this page is mostly automatically generated by one or more ML models with some human curated improvements HTML elements can also h…

If I operate a webpage, and I incorporate this content quality metadata tag, why would I put anything other than "highest possible quality"?

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by jsemrau »

throwaway4aday wrote: post #90

Too late, ChatGPT isn't going to be the driving force behind inaccurate content on the web, we were there long ago. Google search is almost useless now for anything outside of "places to eat near me" and the blogosphere died long ago and was replaced by ad-rent-seeking recipe sites. All the value has moved on from web pages to small forum enclaves and video. There is a bright future though in direct real time communi…

Lunchclub is just that. It is really nice to talk to real people in an intimate 1:1 rather than the cocktail party of the modern Internet.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by safety1st »

qsort wrote: post #45
TIPSIO wrote: post #31

Unlimited 24/7 AI streamers on Twitch. Unlimited 24/7 AI TV shows and movies (RIP Netflix, Hollywood). Unlimited AI opinions about any topics. Unlimited AI “grassroots” campaigns. Unlimited AI propaganda from every country and military (perfectly chosen each time). Unlimited AI comments, “friends”, and engagements on every social media platform for your posts. The bigger struggle will be for discovering authenticity…

I see this take a lot and I don't get why this is different from what we have right now. > Unlimited 24/7 AI streamers on Twitch. So basically Twitch as it is? > Unlimited 24/7 AI TV shows and movies (RIP Netflix, Hollywood). Which is TV right now? > Unlimited AI opinions about any topics. Welcome to Twitter. You filter in the same way people always have. Studying, learning, acquiring taste.

My concern after seeing the AI-generated Seinfeld knock-off that passed through HN today is that it'll be easier to train a model to generate addictive content than it is to create that content with a human.

I mean the AI Seinfeld was terrible, but it's an entirely software generated "show." Someone will figure out how to feed measurements of engagement into the model, and the model will continuously "improve." The net result is it will eventually generate an infinite amount of the most addictive content ever created.

And of course all this will be a profitable thing to do, because ads.

The addictive trash content on the Internet is basically going to go from heroin to fentanyl.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by hudon »

run2arun wrote: post #95
px43 wrote: post #58

Imagine a world where the only content you see is from publishers that you trust, and that your friends trust, and their friends, to maybe 4 or 5 hops or so, and the feed was weighted by how much they are trusted by your particular social graph. If you start seeing spammy content, you downvote it, and your trust level from that part of your social graph drops, and they are less likely to be able to publish things tha…

That's also how you get into a bubble. If you are a true seeker, what you want is authentic and original thinking which challenges your beliefs.

At some point you need to stop seeking and start building, and this requires you to set down some axioms to build upon. It requires you to be ok with your “bubble” and run with it. There is nothing inherently wrong with a bubble, it’s just for a different mode of operation.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by jsemrau »

chias wrote: post #145
ozten wrote: post #136

Each webpage should express a piece of metadata that is content-quality. * primary - The content on this page is a primary source * secondary - The content on this page is high quality, but which is primarily research based and may thus be tainted by unknown sources * bot - The content on this page is mostly automatically generated by one or more ML models with some human curated improvements HTML elements can also h…

If I operate a webpage, and I incorporate this content quality metadata tag, why would I put anything other than "highest possible quality"?

And who judges the quality? one man's trash is another man's treasure .

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by EGreg »

This is ridiculous. Why does everyone try to claim "Web 3.0" for over a decade?

Tim Berners-Lee said Web 3.0 was the semantic web, and allowing others to query data with SPARQL etc.

The Ethereum community said Web 3.0 involved signing transactions with private keys and storing data on blockchains rather than centralized servers.

Now someone is claiming that ChatGPT is the birth of the "real" Web 3.0 -- okay, first of all, chat has NOTHING to do with web. Web means hyperlinks and at the very least letting a user move between domains that serve content, and hopefully increasing interoperability using standard approaches like REST and JSON-LD, as opposed to a centralized provider that is owned by a tiny number of people, and relies on with Big Tech cloud providers (Microsoft). This isn't even a web, let alone open.

And secondly, why not already move on to Web 4.0? It's been a decade or more. Everyone is "denying" the last thing was Web 3.0 It's ridiculous. We have a semantic web now (Open Graph, for instance, or schema.org, and more). We have significant adoption also of "Web3"... crypto has co-opted the word cryptography, and Web 3... we just have to accept it https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/nov/18/crypto-cr... ... many people on HN hate crypto so much that they think the Web3 term hasn't already been solidified, whereas somehow they do think that the word crypto has solidified to mean cryptocurrency rather than cryptography.

Jack Dorsey is using the new OPEN technologies from Microsoft / Sidetree protocol / DID standards to build "Web5", and he thankfully gave up his ideas of trademarking it: https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/11/30/jack-dorseys-tb...

It's time to move on. Build applications that combine all these different tools. The Web has come a long way now. It can do PaymentRequest. It can do WebRTC. It can do Web Push. Just use the tools.

But definitely ChatGPT currently is everything that is OPPOSITE of what "The Web" was supposed to be. Maybe if an open source version comes out, and obliterates all current systems of content and reputation on the current web, then we can talk about "a new (dystopian) web", a kind of dark forest with chatbot swarms descending to shout down / annoy / destroy reputations of individuals and forums who espouse an inconvenient point of view. There is obviously going to be an arms race of bullshit drowning out actual thoughtful posting. But right now it's not even web.

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