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Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by jacooper »

Sunspark wrote: post #115
cmdlinecowboy wrote: post #8

Red Hat for enterprise use, Fedora for personal desktop use. One of the largest communities you’ll find. If you want Debian based maybe just straight Debian. The centos debacle was poorly handled but I think what red hat was /trying/ to do made sense. The community just wasn’t there to sustain it. Red Hat was paying to give away free RHEL basically lol. CentOS Stream should have just been called RHEL Stream. It’s bas…

Fedora should not be recommended anymore for personal desktop use for the simple reason that they removed hardware accelerated video decoding and encoding support. Must all run on the CPU now.

You can enable it manually, like almost every other non-beginner friendly fedora quirk

https://ask.fedoraproject.org/t/proprietary-video-codecs-are...

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by jegp »

gaganyaan wrote: post #137

I'm liking NixOS thus far. I've got it installed on my personal laptop. It's got some rough edges, but the benefits for me outweigh the downsides. I really like affordances like "nix-shell -p foo" to just run a shell with the "foo" command in it for one-off usages, instead of slowly accumulating installed apt packages that I forgot why I installed them. Similarly, having any custom configuration inside of "configurat…

This. And it's completely reproducible. IMO this is the best bet for stability + long-term survivability.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by nine_k »

fragmede wrote: post #86
jodoherty wrote: post #34

I live in a region with a lot of government contracting businesses, so Red Hat Enterprise Linux is something I have to maintain a working familiarity with. However, I use Debian for all of my personal projects and infrastructure. The reason? There's no for-profit corporate interest directly controlling the project. The project's organizational structure resembles a constitutional democracy: https://www.debian.org/int…

Comes full circle as Ubuntu is derived from Debian

As somebody said, "Ubuntu is Debian-based the same way milk is grass-based".

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by gtirloni »

prophesi wrote: post #73
bloopernova wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please give some examples of those similar decisions? I'm eager to find any evidence of the Fedora admins as bad actors.

My only complaint is that the switch to Wireplumber caused a lot of audio issues on my machine until I reverted back to PulseAudio. I could also see people not wanting Wayland by default, though that has been working fine for me and the software I use. I've only been using Fedora for 2 years, but apart from those two decisions, it's been a lot more stable than my time with Ubuntu.

> I could also see people not wanting Wayland by default

It takes a single line change in /etc/gdm/custom.conf to disable it.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by akvadrako »

microtonal wrote: post #96

Mainstream: Fedora. It has been rock solid for me, while at the same time adopting the cutting edge of the Linux ecosystem (latest gcc, latest security stuff, etc.). Also a lot of exciting things happening, like Silverblue, CoreOS, OSTree, etc. For stuff that needs to be really stable, you can use RHEL or a derivative. If you are willing to do something more alien: NixOS. But be aware that it can be a deep rabbit hol…

Silverblue looks great; I'll be moving from Ubuntu to that for my next install.

My experience with OSTree in flatpak has been pretty positive and I really like the idea of a immutable base image.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by akvadrako »

aborsy wrote: post #138

It seems most people agree that the snap is a good idea, but not well implemented. I for one use snap packages when they are available for better security, because, if there is a vulnerability, say in Firefox, the malware will be jailed in its container. That’s one more layer. Sandboxing is desperately needed in desktop operating systems. Another advantage that is portability. Snap export nextcloud and import somewhe…

Flatpak is just the better snap. The only reason Ubuntu doesn't use it is that it isn't controlled by them.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by jrockway »

Debian.

Anything that's not up to date enough, I install with Homebrew. I did not follow the drama but I know that there was a time when even Unstable was missing a recent version of Emacs. Homebrew has it on release day. With the combination of Debian stable and Homebrew, you get a stable core and the bleeding edge for the 3 pieces of software you actually care about. Perfect.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by jacooper »

cmdlinecowboy wrote: post #8

Red Hat for enterprise use, Fedora for personal desktop use. One of the largest communities you’ll find. If you want Debian based maybe just straight Debian. The centos debacle was poorly handled but I think what red hat was /trying/ to do made sense. The community just wasn’t there to sustain it. Red Hat was paying to give away free RHEL basically lol. CentOS Stream should have just been called RHEL Stream. It’s bas…

My main gripe with RHEL based distros is the lack of support for in-place upgrades. I know you shouldn't do it, etc but for small servers that can benefit from newer kernel versions, its annoying.

Also dnf-autoupdate doesn't support auto restarts to update the kernel.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by pessimizer »

shzhdbi09gv8ioi wrote: post #42
cf100clunk wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> people view Ubuntu as a bit dirty Look even further at Devuan, made by people who conder Debian as a bit dirty. (I use both as needed, I'm just riffing on your comment)

Where Debian is a reputable distribution with a clear goal, the Devuan crew is solving a non-issue by means of almost religious levels of resistance toward systemd. If you want technological merit, chose Debian. If you want to join the conservatives of Linux, you should go for Devuan.

You're using language and innuendo instead of argument to imply that the maintainers and users of Devuan are irrational. The objections to systemd were almost completely about the technical merits, with a side order of being annoyed that Red Hat was again being allowed to dictate the standard Linux stack by inserting another impenetrable monolith.

I know it's weird for me to object to your comment without implying that you're insane. It's alright to feel like using systemd after a tangle of init scripts was a breath of fresh air. I understand that point of view. I don't understand the invective against people who put their money where their mouths were.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by blippage »

I used to like Ubuntu, but gave up on it for similar reasons. I have an old machine, so I find Ubuntu too bloated. I've been on Debian Stable for a few years now, using MATE. It's fuss-free. I don't find the software too old, but I use a few bits that I've compiled myself. Linux Mint has a good reputation, so I would consider that if I was thinking of moving away from Debian.
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