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Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

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I'd love to see a thorough guide on removing one's reliance on Google products/services. I much prefer Android over iOS, but the fear of Google just being able to completely shut me off on a whim keeps me up at night and is seriously tempting me to switch. I pay Google for Fi, Pixel phones, Home/Nest devices, One Storage for Photos/Gmail/Drive, YouTube Music, and probably some other stuff. My company pays Google for…

This seems like a good starting point: https://github.com/tycrek/degoogle

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

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When I saw the headline, my first reaction was "You did a chargeback against a huge company from which you can't afford to be auto-unpersonned?! You crazy!" Then I skimmed TFA, and they said that a CSR for the company told them to. Maybe HN escalation will work, this time. But we should really figure out how the critical unique huge consumer tech companies can solve their due process problems, and be more consistent…

A good start, at least with Google, might be for them to give anything resembling a fuck about their non-advertising customers. My experience is that they seem to have this mindset that if you aren't paying them for advertising specifically, you're not a customer , you're a user - the product - which is true if you aren't paying them at all, but isn't even remotely the case when you're giving them money in exchange f…

So the question becomes, why do you continue to give them money? I can't think of a single service they provide where they are the only game in town.

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Honestly, the top comment is more concerning: https://old.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/zndbku/tifu_by_accide... Account stolen. Obvious fraudulent charges. EA refuses to make it right. Customer rightfully disputes the charges. EA closes their account locking them out of an entire catalogue of content THEY HAD PAID for. This whole “you don’t really own digital content” ruse needs to be popped. A company shouldn’t be abl…

EA got hammered by the Aussie government consumer organisation in 2015 https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/electronic-arts-undert...

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

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To me, the issue with Google's products and services is that they're not willing to provide any human customer service to resolve the real issues. Now, of course, I understand that even Google can't reasonably be expected to provide free 24/7 customer support for the entire Internet. If they had a normal phone number available where anybody could reach a human at any time, every confused person would call them with i…

> o me, the issue with Google's products and services is that they're not willing to provide any human customer service to resolve the real issues. I don't get this, I engage human Google support for paid Google products at least a few times a month. It's not great, but definitely on par with other tech giants. Are you expecting human support for ... free services ?

I don’t know what consumer support looks like, but Google Cloud support (with a premium support contract) is significantly worse then their competitors.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

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Honestly, the top comment is more concerning: https://old.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/zndbku/tifu_by_accide... Account stolen. Obvious fraudulent charges. EA refuses to make it right. Customer rightfully disputes the charges. EA closes their account locking them out of an entire catalogue of content THEY HAD PAID for. This whole “you don’t really own digital content” ruse needs to be popped. A company shouldn’t be abl…

How do you feel about 999-year leases?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/999-year_lease

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now, of course, I understand that even Google can't reasonably be expected to provide free 24/7 customer support for the entire Internet. If they had a normal phone number available where anybody could reach a human at any time, every confused person would call them with issues that are completely unrelated to Google's actual products and even Google would be overwhelmed. No it is entirely reasonable. Even with a d…

> They won't though, because end-users are not the customers of Google, advertisers are. You can betcha advertisers get excellent customer service. You would think so, but no. Even advertisers get bad support from Google. Even companies using Google as replacement for Microsoft stack (Gmail and Calendar instead of Outlook, etc) get bad support from Google. Even Google Cloud customers spending millions a year get bad…

Even websites using Google's advertising platform to serve those advertisements get horrible support.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the inevitable result of automation. There is no negotiating with a piece of code.

It’s not inevitable. Of course it can be overridden.

But by who? There’s nobody to hire for that role, because the role has been automated.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

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Many people (including me) raised this issue internally at Google more than a decade ago now during the Google+ era. Vic Gundotra decided that not using your "real name" was a bannable offense despite the many legitimate concerns people brought up [1]. This was of course an automatic process and there were (completely predictably) false positives. This would kill your entire Google account, Gmail included. I was one…

I lost the ability to use adwords. It has always been denied. I was never given a reason, and any attempt to appeal the decision were declined. I used my own email account to set up an account for a business, and the traffic may have been unusual because it was banner ads on the website of the local ISP. So, the ISP owned all of the IP addresses even though they were uniquely different people. And the office had multiple people in it so there is a chance that someone in the office may have, at some point, clicked on a banner advertisement themselves. I have no idea.

I have not tried in a few years, but I was nearing the 10 year mark previously, and they still would not allow me to use adwords. I am not sure if it is a lifetime ban or what.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

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I placed an order for a Pixel Watch on Black Friday as a gift. Spent $380 or so on the watch+band. Site said it would be delivered on Nov 29-Dec 2nd (and status was updated to 'Pending Shipment'). Well, Dec 5th rolled around, still wasnt shipped. Since the status was 'pending shipment' you cannot cancel the order. I contacted google asking them to cancel my order. Two weeks later, it's still not shipped, CS rep is ba…

Similar experience (Google charged me for a phone that was never delivered). I was debating doing a chargeback, but the fear of losing my stupid google account was causing me to pause. I finally DM'ed Google Fi support on Twitter and they eventually were able to get me in contact with someone that could help. It took about 2 months to get this resolved. Buying from Google is a nightmare (I like the product, why do they ruin all my good-will toward them?). I have never had a worse experience with a company.
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