World Cup Daily, Day 25 • Hacker News Board

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Post by Ekaros » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 2:31 PM UTC

jacurtis wrote: post #102

newaccount74 wrote: post #55

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Sounds like a heart attack.

I agree. Conspiracy theories are fun. But the fact he experienced chest pain for days leading up to his death, does seem to imply it was a true medical issue. It’s very possible his heart was moving in and out of AFIB for a few days and then finally gave out in the form of a heart attack. He fought through it because it’s obviously the biggest few weeks of the year for his job (as a soccer journalist). The fact that…

To me it seems more that he wasn't willing to take the medical attention. Likely cause work seemed more important. 10 days of cold is pretty bad run and if it was getting worse and still kept pushing... I'm not sure if any sufficient care would have been accepted.

Re: World Cup Daily, Day 25

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Post by mdp2021 » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 2:34 PM UTC

mud_dauber wrote: post #15

m12k wrote: post #12

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"Even a single preventable death on a job site is one too many. We are doubling down on safety precautions and training to prevent any further workplace hazards. While complete safety is impossible to achieve on a project of this scale, we are using our massive wealth to ensure our construction sites follow international best practices in this area. We value the lives and wellbeing of our workers and will take every…

Or: "Even a single preventable death on a job site is one too many. We have contacted his family, made all the arrangements for a dignified flight home, memorial service and created a financial fund to compensate the family for his loss. It's the least we could do."

Do you think that is reasonable? Is that what happens in other contexts?

Re: World Cup Daily, Day 25

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Post by matkoniecz » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 2:40 PM UTC

lupire wrote: post #103

sofixa wrote: post #95

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But it's the members that are where the corruption comes from - they're the ones that elect the executive committee and the president, vote on proposals such as World Cup locations, etc. etc. FIFA is just a reflection of the corrupt state of world football federations.

Teams can quit FIFA, like academics quit Elsevier. Fans can quit paying teams. But teams don't care and fans don't care.

Reducing their public funding, ignoring their events is more feasible.

Re: World Cup Daily, Day 25

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Post by routerl » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 2:51 PM UTC

JasonFruit wrote: post #134

routerl wrote: post #19

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> bribed its way into using a global sports event as a massive PR push So common that it has a name. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportswashing

The lists in that article are absurdly tendentious. Except for Berlusconi, there's very little reason given to justify inclusion.

You seem to have read a different article than the one I linked, since your comment is incoherent given the contents of the linked article.

E.g. the lists literally include the 1936 (Nazi) Olympics, which is just about the textbook example of using a global sporting event for the sake of propaganda. Jesse Owens certainly threw a wrench in those (white supremacist) plans, however.

Re: World Cup Daily, Day 25

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Post by newaccount74 » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 2:53 PM UTC

jacurtis wrote: post #102

newaccount74 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a heart attack.

I agree. Conspiracy theories are fun. But the fact he experienced chest pain for days leading up to his death, does seem to imply it was a true medical issue. It’s very possible his heart was moving in and out of AFIB for a few days and then finally gave out in the form of a heart attack. He fought through it because it’s obviously the biggest few weeks of the year for his job (as a soccer journalist). The fact that…

I used to work as an ambulance driver, and people with heart attacks often had no idea. One time a patient even called a doctor, who visited him at home and told him it's probably just a stomach bug, but he should get it checked out in the hospital just to be sure. I was driving with an experienced colleague, who looked at the patient and said, that's no stomach bug. Turned out to be a severe heart attack, they immediately rushed him to the cardiac catheter lab at the hospital.

Anyway, people die from heart attacks all the time because they don't realise what's going on before it's too late.

Re: World Cup Daily, Day 25

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Post by snapplebobapple » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 2:54 PM UTC

m12k wrote: post #10

It seems pretty obvious that a totalitarian petrostate, that bribed its way into using a global sports event as a massive PR push, doesn't care. What matters is whether we care that they don't care. What matters is whether we care that our sports institutions are massively corrupt.

It's not that it's a petrostate, it's that this has been the view of the region forever. This region did not come to the moral conclusion that slavery was wrong, they only stopped when Europeans showed up with gun boats and forced them to cut it out (Also, why isn't anyone asking these guys wtf happened to all the black slaves they imported because basically none of them exist in the region today despite the region likely taking more slaves during the slave trade than the USA. The answer is obviously castration and murder if one looks into it). This attitude has been present in this region since antiquity, finding oil just caused a white washing of the practice to something just below causing European gun boats to show up while expanding the practice dramatically.

Re: World Cup Daily, Day 25

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Post by isthisthingon99 » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 3:20 PM UTC

paulgb wrote: post #79

isthisthingon99 wrote: post #62

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Ah, so you are projecting your own society's ideals onto another which wasn't always how it was. Which society told you the way to do it was to create laws to deal with it? Was it your own? Have you perhaps considered that just because US society might be a few decades ahead in certain types of rights, that maybe that's just a fluke of nature and doesn't give the US any moral standing? Edit: can't respond any more, s…

> Ah, so you are projecting your own society's ideals onto another which wasn't always how it was. To the extent that those ideals are “migrant worker’s lives should not be treated as expendable”, hell yes I am. (FWIW I’m Canadian, not American) Your attempt at positioning that as some sort of cultural chauvinism is weird.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_savior

Re: World Cup Daily, Day 25

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Post by boppo1 » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 3:21 PM UTC

jackmott42 wrote: post #67

411111111111111 wrote: post #60

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there will never be any irrefuteable proof of any wrongdoing wherever it was murder or not. an autopsy report done by them would be as untrustworthy and pointless as you can get and handing over the body would be just as pointless. The regimes publicly kill people which critique even abroads and continue to bribe anyone thats willing to take their money and can give them something they wish. None of the news can be t…

Try not to end up psychologically in a place where nothing is real, because then also everything is real. It is this attitude that was fostered among the Russian population that allows Putin to senselessly send them to slaughter to Ukraine. This attitude is being fostered in America too. I hope it doesn't get that bad. I worry it will.

It already is.

Re: World Cup Daily, Day 25

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Post by frontman1988 » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 3:31 PM UTC

donatj wrote: post #26

Maybe I am just cynical, but I highly doubt many leaders would actually care about a worker’s death. Most would like have the decorum and PR experience to feign shock, but I doubt you’d get more than an empty “oh that’s terrible“ from most in power. To me the fact that anyone would find this shocking is the most shocking part as it implies people are believing politicians facades.

Yeah the countries which export the labour don't care themselves. None among India, Bangladesh, Pakistan have even issued any statement condemning the working conditions or the govt. of Qatar and that is when none of these countries are even playing in the world cup. The world certainly doesn't care. There are more people in this world than you can count in a lifetime, what matters if a few hundred poor people die. With the way things are, the west is also probably only condemning Qatar because of future plans of stealing their oil/natural gas resources than due to some poor people dying.

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Post by plaguepilled » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 3:57 PM UTC

capableweb wrote: post #96

jackmott42 wrote: post #65

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Sometimes I worry the world will end because nice people are so accommodating and understanding of evil.

Sometimes I worry the world will end because people are too quick to jump to conclusions just because it happens to match their worldviews. Don't get me wrong, I worry about what you said too, but around me in life, jumping to conclusions and sticking with it regardless is much more common than what you mentioned.

This comment, in addition to needlessly escalating, is equivalent to "I am bothered by people being bothered by the things they believe".

Worldviews affect what upsets people. Like, duh?