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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by comboy » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:17 PM UTC

JPKab wrote: post #39

heavyset_go wrote: post #24

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We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…

It's a good opportunity to teach your kids about how crappy and shallow other kids can be, and also teach them how to respond to criticism like this. 20 years ago, you'd get shit for not wearing the cool kind of shoes your peers had.

I think most kids understand that. It's just that adults reality is way easier - if you don't like some people you just don't spend time with them.

For kids, if you are not friends with people you spend 80% of your time with, you can't get the same kind of friendship elsewhere. The social games they play are way more complex than anything they teach them in school.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by hangonhn » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:17 PM UTC

bmitc wrote: post #57

I have never understood the arguments that Apple doesn't have a monopoly or monopolies and thus should get away with all the anti-trust violations they get away with. They definitely have monopolies when it comes to market power and influence, even if Android phones (which are split across several manufacturers) have a larger worldwide market share.

This is the concept that's about to be tested in court. The majority of the revenue generating segment of the smartphone market is iOS while the majority of the overall smartphone market is Android. I get the sense that Apple did this on purpose but the Unity lawsuit may write a new chapter on what it means to be a monopoly. This Planet Money episode talks about this dilemma: https://www.npr.org/2020/09/18/914563075/apple-v-everybody

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by matthewmacleod » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:17 PM UTC

JPKab wrote: post #21

My 16 year old son has an iPhone because Apple has the best parental control integration built-in. Kids can always get around it, which is why I have monitoring the little bastard doesn't know about via my WiFi router, along with automated deactivation of his cellular data connection via a schedule with the carrier (after 10 PM on weekdays). The "green bubble" crap that I get from my iPhone owning buddies due to my P…

Jesus. I know it's off-topic and things differ across cultures or whatever, but I remember moving out of home to go to university at 16. The idea that there are parents out there doing stuff like monitoring their kids' internet connections at that age is almost inconceivable to me.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by mtgx » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:17 PM UTC

atonse wrote: post #28

m348e912 wrote: post #8

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(iPhone user here) It does seem to me that Apple isn't playing fair and this is no longer the technical issue it once was. Apple has so far refused to adopt RCS (the successor to SMS and MMS) which is now an industry standard for text messaging. Because of that, aside from the green bubble, the text messaging experience with non-iPhone users is subpar. Images and videos are compressed and things like tapback and grou…

RCS is not end-to-end encrypted. (But neither is SMS, I get it). The fact that they're pushing a protocol in 2022 that has state-of-the-art design for fifteen years ago, is disingenuous, and is emblematic of all the chefs that have their hand in the pot with the Android ecosystem.

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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by deng » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:18 PM UTC

CollinEMac wrote: post #33

This is surprising but I'm more surprised by the finding that "26% of teens own a VR device" Is VR really getting that popular?

> Is VR really getting that popular?

I hear VRChat got really popular during the pandemic among teens, but I also find these numbers very surprising.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by flutas » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:18 PM UTC

nsxwolf wrote: post #32

m348e912 wrote: post #8

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(iPhone user here) It does seem to me that Apple isn't playing fair and this is no longer the technical issue it once was. Apple has so far refused to adopt RCS (the successor to SMS and MMS) which is now an industry standard for text messaging. Because of that, aside from the green bubble, the text messaging experience with non-iPhone users is subpar. Images and videos are compressed and things like tapback and grou…

Given the iPhone's marketshare, is it RCS really the industry standard?

> Given the iPhone's marketshare, is it RCS really the industry standard?

It's funny to me seeing this statement, as half of the people out there push it the other way when discussing App Stores. "Well iPhone isn't a monopoly world wide."

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by alexb_ » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:18 PM UTC

localhost wrote: post #42

heavyset_go wrote: post #24

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We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…

There is quite a healthy market for used iPhones if you're talking about the blue bubble phenomenon.

I don't think you actually understand the problem

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by plsbenice34 » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:18 PM UTC

adeleine wrote: post #100

chenshuiluke wrote: post #45

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Why go to such lengths to monitor your 16yo?

Sitting in front of a phone all day at this age leads to severe mental health problems and is probably the biggest portal for unfiltered harmful content https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7012622/

I'd wager that at 16 years old having no privacy and such a nasty relationship with your parent would have much worse effects

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by klyrs » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:18 PM UTC

mymythisisthis wrote: post #101

gtvwill wrote: post #41

1/3 of my kids have iPhone. The use of iPhones amongst them and their peers is directly related to their level of IT/Tech knowhow. Long story short the kids on android are probably gonna wind up building the tech the kids on apple consume. Or atleast that's how it's playing out amongst them atm. iPhone kids legit just take photos and short vidyas mostly of themselves. It's like you can correlate an iPhone with a toxi…

But the kids with the iPhones will be the financier controlling the purse strings. See the Commodore vs. IBM clones vs. Mac in the early 1980s. Apple wins because wealthy people use them, it's Apple's advantage.

I guarantee that kids who grow up to be financiers won't be a significant fraction of the 87%. Just like kids wearing Air Jordans when I was in school didn't all grow up to be pro ball players.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by ajross » Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 9:19 PM UTC

literalAardvark wrote: post #78

dimgl wrote: post #19

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Why is this laughably wrong? Why is this so hard to believe? Also, why would being a tech scion mean that you wouldn't want to use an iPhone? If anything, I'd argue that being in tech makes you appreciate the benefits of having an iPhone.

I'd argue that tech bros know that social media screen time fries your brain and may try to keep their kids away from phones as much as possible.

My experience among tech parents jives with that, FWIW. But even so: if techie kids are less likely to own phones, you need to be pushing 90%+ iPhone usage in working class schools, which is, again, nuts.

These numbers are wrong when interpreted as a global sample, they just are.