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Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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You were a scientist so you have the power to understand. For the general population the choice is between the voodoo man, or a professor. I prefer people to choose to blindly believe the professor (which carries a risk) than the voodoo man (which is always crap)

In many countries you can study Homeopathy in the university. Is that a professor you should trust? Do you remember peak ivermectin? There were many articles published by real medical doctors in real journals. Is that a professor you should trust? (I read a few of the articles. Most of them were just awful, and I was ignoring the non statistically significant ones.) The list of food that babies can not eat before the…

Like I sais in a sister comment: certainly. The difference is that you may have something like 10% of crackpots at the university (in science), when that number is a strong 100% in pseudoscience/voodoo/religion etc.

> In many countries you can study Homeopathy in the university. Is that a professor you should trust?

Absolutely not. In order to be a homoeopath, at least in France, you have to study medicine. Then some of the graduates who apparently were mostly partying when studying go for that and this is why I always double-check what my MD prescribes. She is really great but I have a limited trust in everything.

But see, I have a PhD in physics and I have been running the skeptics branch at my university. So again I am special.

> The list of food that babies can not eat before they are one year old changes from country to country, and even from one medical doctor to another. Find a few friends abroad and compare.

My children were raise in three countries (one in Asia, two in Europe). I've seen that but these are nutritionists - a branch of "science" that is at least laughable. A friend of mine who is a tenured professor in nutrition, when she was doing her PhD, asked me to review the statistics. I could not - it was such rubbish, and she was such a good friend that I told her to find somebody else or just give up - the people who will be reading her thesis are as clueless as she was regarding statistics.

> What if a military expert tells you that a normal looking truck is a secret mobile factory of weapons of mass destruction? Should you invade?

If I had to make the decision? I would ask several of them and then yes, invade. Are you able to tell the difference between a MIS-45 X and a normal truck? I cannot (and made up the name).

> What about cold fusion, aka low energy nuclear reactions

Cold fusion popped up, and then disappeared when more people started to test it. I was studying at the time this happened and I think it went on foe a month or so. And then nothing - exactly because the scientific community called bluff.

> At one point people must choose the expert to follow.

As you see I agree with most of you points (and I guess you have a scientific background because of the (very good) examples you gave. But I do not see your point.

You need to give a simple rule for the general population. Between choosing the scientific community that sometimes fail and the bozos in pseudoscience I say - blindly trust science.

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

#142

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Why gullible? When you look at images of stars there are plenty of versions. This one looked plausible, backed by a scientist. He fucked up and does not have the balls to face the music

It's quite obviously not a star.

Why? I am not a cosmologist and the images I see here and there are quite similar. Plus a physicist tells me that it is a new image of a star so why should I doubt?

"Quite obviously" depends on your knowledge of the topic. Scientists are there to help us decide what is true and what is not - and not erode the limited trust we have in science already.

If this was a picture of a pokemon - sure. But this round thing with red and white spots togather with a reasonable explanation was not funny at all.

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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In many countries you can study Homeopathy in the university. Is that a professor you should trust? Do you remember peak ivermectin? There were many articles published by real medical doctors in real journals. Is that a professor you should trust? (I read a few of the articles. Most of them were just awful, and I was ignoring the non statistically significant ones.) The list of food that babies can not eat before the…

Like I sais in a sister comment: certainly. The difference is that you may have something like 10% of crackpots at the university (in science), when that number is a strong 100% in pseudoscience/voodoo/religion etc. > In many countries you can study Homeopathy in the university. Is that a professor you should trust? Absolutely not. In order to be a homoeopath, at least in France, you have to study medicine. Then some…

> 10% of crackpots at the university [citation needed] (in science [citation needed])

:)

Anyway, the 10% of crackpots are overrepresented in the news coverage, and there are many "institutes" and "associations" with serious names, that sometimes it's difficult.

I think that there are courses of homeopathy in some German universities, but it's difficult to find and I don't know enough about German universities to know it it's a big serious one or just a minor crazy one.

So I used Google to search in my university. I knew it was a mistake. The first two links are

* http://www.ffyb.uba.ar/POSGRADO/contenidos-secretaria-de-pos... (autotranlation https://www-ffyb-uba-ar.translate.goog/POSGRADO/contenidos-s... )

* http://www.fvet.uba.ar/?q=homeopatia (autotranslation https://www-fvet-uba-ar.translate.goog/?q=homeopatia&_x_tr_s... )

It's the bigest university in the capital city of Argentina. My university is split in 13 faculties, each one is quite independent. Both page look like serious pages of real courses, for graduate students or specializations. I can try to search in the other 11 faculties, but I don't dare, because I expect a few more. (I don't expect to find results in all 13, for example the Engineering faculty probably has no course about homeopathy, I hope.) Can you try searching at your university?

About cold fusion, it reappears from time to time. This was popular a few years ago from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer but the degrees of the inventor are ... strange.

The last interesting case I remember is https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03603... HN discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24795744 (80 points | Oct 15, 2020 | 71 comments) It looks like a serious team in a serious institution in a serious journal. But the list of new elements that appear after the "fusion" makes no sense at all. Suspiciously, they are very common in the plumbing and other parts of the device, so my guess is just involuntary contamination instead of fusion.

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

#144

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Like I sais in a sister comment: certainly. The difference is that you may have something like 10% of crackpots at the university (in science), when that number is a strong 100% in pseudoscience/voodoo/religion etc. > In many countries you can study Homeopathy in the university. Is that a professor you should trust? Absolutely not. In order to be a homoeopath, at least in France, you have to study medicine. Then some…

> 10% of crackpots at the university [citation needed] ( in science [citation needed]) :) Anyway, the 10% of crackpots are overrepresented in the news coverage, and there are many "institutes" and "associations" with serious names, that sometimes it's difficult. I think that there are courses of homeopathy in some German universities, but it's difficult to find and I don't know enough about German universities to kno…

> Can you try searching at your university?

I am French and I am ashamed that my country is THE country of homeopathy (together with Germany). You see homeopathy everywhere and I am tired discussing with people about that. I once took part in a radio broadcast with some crackpots and ate 5 tubes of Oscillococcinum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillococcinum) when they started to tell how important the right prescription is.

There was also a guy who was channelling something something energy something quantum with his hands and was afraid of how powerful it was. He came with a lady who fainted when he touched her head. I asked him to concentrate as much as he could and fry my brain. He did not want to do it because he would kill me. After some back and forth he touched my head and obviously noting happened. I had bad waves or something mike that, apparently.

As for the "education" for homeopaths in France, this is done after medical studies which is completely crazy. These people are idiots.

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

#145

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A lay person will know chorizo much better than celestial bodies, at least in Europe. Of course there will always be someone to say they don't know what chorizo looks like but that's life... Otherwise we cannot do anything. Anyway, it's odd that people would argue on this instead of just laughing it off as "well played", but people argue over everything these days...

It must just be a cultural difference, as in the US all our meats are reduced to a fine pink homogenized sludge before being made into anything. Those lumps of fat or whatever -- unacceptable, and what is that a pepper seed? Too spicy! (Just kidding. Well, mostly kidding).

Perhaps.

As an anecdotal data point, I showed the tweet with the picture to my wife (who has zero astronomy knowledge) without telling her anything and her immediate first reaction was "it looks like chorizo!".

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