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Re: Disneyland with Death Penalty

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I personally found Singapore charming when I was there. It's a fascinating mix of several different cultures who all seem to retained many of their traditional customs. I never understood the sterile critique myself, the city never struck me as such. Gibson's main critique, from what I can tell, is the lack of much of a counterculture similar to what you'd find in the U.S. allied-bloc (Europe, U.S., Canada, Japan, So…

> I can't help but think there's an underlying prejudice in the way he and others think countries should develop, where as they get richer they should be more like rich countries he's used to (ironically enough, the problem for many seems to be that Singapore _isn't_ the same as the other developed nations they're used to).

Gibson didn't look hard enough; there was definitely counterculture in Singapore at the time he wrote the story. A bit lazy on his part, but he's not a trained journalist. And there still is one now, although much less so than in the 90s.

The vibe I got from my time there is that most Singaporeans who are counterculture-inclined just leave for larger countries, in the same way a bohemian-inclined Swiss person might move to, say, New York or Berlin.

The larger problem Singapore has is that there's very little space for the arts in general, let alone counterculture.

Re: Disneyland with Death Penalty

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I don't think the example you gave holds. This is how I would characterize that: Blocking someone = not buying Wired magazine so you can't read it yourself Banning someone from the internet = banning Wired magazine so no one can ever read it

I thought blocking someone prevents them from replying to your tweets, and doesn't just prevent you from reading their tweets.

Re: Disneyland with Death Penalty

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Is it better or worse than Dubai? Or similar?

Kind of depends. It's more sterile. Dubai you get the impression they generally care about you having a good time, at least if you're Western. Singapore they care about you looking like you're having a good time. Singapore doesn't have the de facto slavery problem of the Emirates, though. Food is definitely better in Dubai.

> Singapore doesn't have the de facto slavery problem of the Emirates, though.

Singapore imports a lot of Indian (and other South Asian), SEA, Chinese migrant labor as well, to live in conditions that are not great. I mean, not as bad as emirates, but not that great either:

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals...

https://www.economist.com/asia/2021/06/19/singapores-migrant... (recent treatment during COVID lockdowns)

> Food is definitely better in Dubai.

Singaporean hawker centres are pretty world famous.

Re: Disneyland with Death Penalty

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The 1993 Wired article, by William Gibson: https://www.wired.com/1993/04/gibson-2/ or https://archive.ph/twY5Y

Thanks! This is the perfect sort of longform article to save via Pocket/Instapaper and read later on my e-reader.

The irony wasn’t lost on me ;)

Re: Disneyland with Death Penalty

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I find this to be some of the most racist shit I've ever read. Gees I can't believe the comments here. Singapore is one of the safest countries in the world. When I've brought up how much I like Singapore someone always retorts "Oh, that place where you get arrested for walking down the sidewalk and chewing gum" to which I also respond "Well, I could be in the USA where I get walk down the sidewalk and get mugged" Si…

Criticizing a country's laws is not racist. If I dislike executions in America that doesn't make me racist towards Americans.

Re: Disneyland with Death Penalty

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Singapore's repression isn't exactly a secret, and if freedom is not a purpose to use your wealth for, then I don't see the point of wealth. Counterculture is healthy and natural for many reasons, and its absence is a concerning indicator for any nation.

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A lot of Singaporeans are unhappy with things, especially in the younger generations. If you've spent any length of time there and talked to people it's not hard to pick up on. There's a reason the government has turned up the level of repression over the past decade.

Re: Disneyland with Death Penalty

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So I take it you've never been to Boston. A friend of a friend often quips that the best way to get good Mexican in Boston is to go to Logan and fly almost anywhere else.

I truly believe that there should be an exchange program between San Francisco and Boston. Boston needs a proper taqueria, and San Francisco needs a proper pizzeria. Boston needs proper Thai food, and San Francisco needs proper ice cream. Etc.

I believe the number one destination for people leaving Boston is San Francisco. You'd think this would happen naturally.

I don't remember where I read it, but one indicator is that when Boston's baseball team comes to Oakland, there are more Boston fans in attendance than Oakland fans.

Re: Disneyland with Death Penalty

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Is it better or worse than Dubai? Or similar?

Kind of depends. It's more sterile. Dubai you get the impression they generally care about you having a good time, at least if you're Western. Singapore they care about you looking like you're having a good time. Singapore doesn't have the de facto slavery problem of the Emirates, though. Food is definitely better in Dubai.

I recall Anthony Bourdain going to Singapore in one of his shows and he seemed to really like the food there.

Re: Disneyland with Death Penalty

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I find this to be some of the most racist shit I've ever read. Gees I can't believe the comments here. Singapore is one of the safest countries in the world. When I've brought up how much I like Singapore someone always retorts "Oh, that place where you get arrested for walking down the sidewalk and chewing gum" to which I also respond "Well, I could be in the USA where I get walk down the sidewalk and get mugged" Si…

"a little on the strict side"
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