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Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Post by xtracto »

gandalfgeek wrote: post #28
enahs-sf wrote: post #18

Sometimes I feel like this is the endgame where the US overall kind of declines but California starts managing itself better and operates almost like an independent country. Probably wishful thinking but would be great.

I can’t relate at all to that sentiment. California has got to be one of the most bloated and wasteful state governments in the entire US. High taxes and nothing to show for it. The entrenched far left seems bent on destroying the middle class, driving out business, regulating everything to death and displacing merit as a selection factor. Whatever glory Cali has— tech, entertainment, farming, weather, natural beauty…

I chuckle whenever I read someone referring to any US political view as "Far Left" ... the most leftist leftist in the US would be considered center-right in most parts of the world

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Post by ggm »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #58

I'm curious about liability. My understanding (maybe wrong) is that for private drug manufacturers, the risk of lawsuits provides a strong incentive for safe, effective products. Would a California-run facility have similar incentives?

They'd have exactly the same incentives, because they'd be bound in exactly the same regulatory environment. the F in FDA is for food. the other F in FDA is the silent (Federal) in front of it. its the US FDA. Its federal.

Drug safety regulation is federal. It's a federal agency of the Department of Health and Human Services.

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Post by YeBanKo »

hcknwscommenter wrote: post #91
YeBanKo wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California schools system is not good.

Some of the best public elementary, middle/junior, and high schools in the country are in California. Some of the worst are as well. California as a whole has a pretty good public school system. There are certainly issues. But many of them are really just debatable trade offs. For example, the whole San Francisco ed board recall. The main issue (aside from the renaming, which really was a side show to the main event)…

> Some of the best public elementary, middle/junior, and high schools in the country are in California. Some of the worst are as well. ... > but rather spend your limited resources on bringing the bottom half up.

Ok, so right here is the issue. It's like saying that US has no poverty issue, because some of the richest people live here. You yourself mentioned, that it is important to improve the bottom percentiles. And the bottom percentiles in California are not good. Some of the exceptional schools in CA are private, some of them are public, but most likely located in expensive areas. You gonna have to pay for a good school either directly or via insane home prices. Yes, you can find decent schools in less-crowded-but-not-very-rural areas with more reasonable cost of living, sort of a sweet spot. And the majority of those schools aren't gonna be exceptional, the will be fine, just fine. Not better than any other state. But the lowest percentile in the worst area is still gonna drag the whole chart down. Everyone I know in CA who cares about school for their kids either lives in a pricy area or pays for a private school.

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Post by smugma »

rayiner wrote: post #54
gandalfgeek wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t relate at all to that sentiment. California has got to be one of the most bloated and wasteful state governments in the entire US. High taxes and nothing to show for it. The entrenched far left seems bent on destroying the middle class, driving out business, regulating everything to death and displacing merit as a selection factor. Whatever glory Cali has— tech, entertainment, farming, weather, natural beauty…

I don’t think that’a entirely fair. California is the product of good governance during the 1950s-1980s. There is public infrastructure, like good schools and universities, that needs to be laid to attract industry in the first place. California probably wouldn’t the what it is without the UC system, for example. Of course that was a very different California.

In the last 30-40 years the cost to attend UC has gone up significantly (when I attended in the 90s tuition went down to $3,600/yr, it’s 5X that now), but the top schools are still world renown and the next tier have arguably moved up (UCSD and UCSB in particular).

I believe the greatest risk to California’s continued prosperity is the lack of affordable housing (which I would associate partly with Prop 13, but also just general NIMBYism). There have been a lot of efforts in the past few years to move towards higher density but I think we’ll need to wait until the next administration to see if this pro-housing approach is going to stick.

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Post by pempem »

rapsey wrote: post #134
KerrAvon wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why didn’t other states also do as well with everything in their favor?

Coastal regions are always more prosperous.

Like FLA and GA? California has higher taxes, california also has internationally ranked economies at the city level.

Of course things could be better, and like a previous commenter mentioned, there are missing investments in housing, transportation and more. That is however, because of the continuous specter of the right winning state offices and the "left" party basically being centerist.

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Post by yonaguska »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #58

I'm curious about liability. My understanding (maybe wrong) is that for private drug manufacturers, the risk of lawsuits provides a strong incentive for safe, effective products. Would a California-run facility have similar incentives?

Unless they get the Pfizer or Moderna treatment by labeling it as an emergency. Then there'd be zero liability.

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Post by zeruch »

jjcon wrote: post #89
rhodorhoades wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UC Berkeley, UC San Diego, UC Los Angeles are some of the best engineering schools on the planet.

*According to Californians

According to most charts, numerous Universities in California are generally high ranking (the UC system, USC, Pepperdine, Stanford among them) but within numerous specialties it's indisputable: UCSD for biotech, UC Davis for Ag-tech/veterinary science, Berkeley/Stanford for CS, Boalt/Hastings/King for Law, etc. The specialization matters here significantly.

The US weirdly in general has a lot of high ranking universities, but its elementary and secondary schools are very very uneven, at any level.

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Post by smugma »

hcknwscommenter wrote: post #91
YeBanKo wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California schools system is not good.

Some of the best public elementary, middle/junior, and high schools in the country are in California. Some of the worst are as well. California as a whole has a pretty good public school system. There are certainly issues. But many of them are really just debatable trade offs. For example, the whole San Francisco ed board recall. The main issue (aside from the renaming, which really was a side show to the main event)…

My main issue with the BoE was competence. There was a lack of competence across the board, but If I had to give a more specific reason to recall them, it was their incompetence with respect to re-opening schools. Their incompetence around the re-naming showed how bad they were.

As for Lowell, I think that was a big issue for many, but not amongst the 100+ parents that I’ve spoken to on the issue.

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Post by zeruch »

truffdog wrote: post #102
raldi wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

High taxes on newcomers. Nearly nonexistent taxes on dynastic families.

Newsom is quite close to that dynastic wealth, too- https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-pol-ca-gavin-newsom-san-...

He's not close, he is.

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Post by ALittleLight »

drekk wrote: post #135
gandalfgeek wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t relate at all to that sentiment. California has got to be one of the most bloated and wasteful state governments in the entire US. High taxes and nothing to show for it. The entrenched far left seems bent on destroying the middle class, driving out business, regulating everything to death and displacing merit as a selection factor. Whatever glory Cali has— tech, entertainment, farming, weather, natural beauty…

California's government is center-right. There is no far left party in US politics. That's why you don't have affordable higher education or healthcare, why your infrastructure is decaying, why you don't have nice public transit, etc. It's also why your taxes are so high with nothing to show for them. Turns out austerity is expensive for most people. Canada and Mexico have cheap insulin because their governments are…

Left and right aren't objective measurements, they are relative ones. Relative to US politics generally California's government is left. If you're in some even more left European country that doesn't mean anything - Europe is not the objective standard by which everyone measures politics.
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