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One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by suture »

danamit wrote: post #105
sshine wrote: post #9

https://gctpnews.org/qatar-2022-world-cup-death-toll/ "The name of the current [migrant worker employment] system is kafala, a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer. The kafala system has been frequently described as modern day slavery due to its exploitative nature. This employer controls housing, wages, travel, and the well being of each employee." "[...] an estimated 4,00…

It is not about the Kafala system, since even the West has similar systems. It is that they treat migrant workers that are not highly skilled specially from specific backgrounds bad.

In Saudi Arabia, Gulf States, and elsewhere in the region migrant workers have their passport taken by the employer and thus can’t leave the country. They are stuck. In most other countries the employer does not confiscate your passport. It’s weird to me that one needs a passport to leave a country. In the U.S. you don’t need a passport to leave.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by theowwruoi34 »

CodeBeater wrote: post #39
cassianoleal wrote: post #13

The title downplays this a lot. The first sentence in the article reads "Any extramarital sexual encounter (...) could result in a seven-year jail sentence." That usually means any sexual relation outside of marriage is forbidden, even between life partners.

I wonder how they would verify that with foreigners, especially those with a history of poor record-keeping. I surmise that there must be at least a couple of countries where a marriage certificate is nothing more than a plain sheet of copy paper with something along the lines of "I hereby declare that X and Y are married" in their local legalese. Although I can't help but snicker at the image of a bunch of poor cops…

They killed 3000-4000 Indian slaves every year for their stadium. You really think they'll treat you with such care ?

This while much of the emirates is serviced by a slave-class Indians, who can't practice their religion, build temples (exceptions: Oman, UAE), or anything "disallowed" by the savage law-system they practice. Then these same good-for-nothing oil sheikhs preach to India!

Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood it rears really are the worst threats to humanity. Alas, most Islamists take their training again from India's UP (no better way to develop anti-kafir theology when surrounded by them I suppose). Ah the many manifestations of India's savage colonizers.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

smcl wrote: post #125
rob74 wrote: post #87

> The Daily Star now reports that there is growing concern from UK law enforcement about the possibility of British fans facing stiff penalties for doing things that they would not think twice about. Do I sound too conservative if I say that it's often a good idea to think twice before having a one-night stand?

It depends what you mean by “think twice”. It could be that you’re saying that you should not be reckless - to be extra sure you both have the same expectations from the encounter, that you both consent, that neither one of you is beyond the point of being able to properly give that consent (ie you and partner aren’t completely intoxicated), that nobody else’s feelings are going to be hurt and a few other things, tha…

If alcohol is involved, there is no way to be sure

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Post by DocTomoe »

scoutt wrote: post #104
cmntqatar2022 wrote: post #32

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> barbaric https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/barbaric "possessing or characteristic of a cultural level more complex than primitive culture but less sophisticated than advanced civilization" This is barbaric: Flogging -> "Flogging is employed as a punishment for alcohol consumption or illicit sexual relations" stoning -> "As of 2014, certain provisions of the Qatari Criminal Code allows punishments such as f…

> This is barbaric: Flogging -> "Flogging is employed as a punishment for alcohol consumption or illicit sexual relations"

I think it is a lot less barbaric than imprisoning people for smoking weed, for years, or have them appear on a sex offender list, massively limiting their freedom, for arguably small-scale things, like public urination.

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Post by dotancohen »

themitigating wrote: post #45
dotancohen wrote: post #34

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You mean freedoms?

No, I mean culture.

You are also free to pursue an academic career, not take drugs, and speak elegantly. But that lifestyle is far less glorified in Western media than drug use, gangsta life, and profanity.

Here's a thought: his many Western popular media heros use violence to achieve their goals? How many use rhetoric, critical thinking, and respectful verbal persuasion?

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Post by ls15 »

pishpash wrote: post #123
ls15 wrote: post #96

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> It's their culture, their country, do we have a moral right to say country barbaric for their cultural norms they accepted for hundreds of years? Cultural norms end where other people's human rights start.

Homeless people dying on the streets shooting up drugs would be a good place for human rights to start, but NIMBY's cultural norms are very inclusive of this for some reason. Also male genital mutilation at birth is such a nice cultural norm.

I'm ok with attacking all of them

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Post by khazhoux »

tsol wrote: post #121
sshine wrote: post #9

https://gctpnews.org/qatar-2022-world-cup-death-toll/ "The name of the current [migrant worker employment] system is kafala, a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer. The kafala system has been frequently described as modern day slavery due to its exploitative nature. This employer controls housing, wages, travel, and the well being of each employee." "[...] an estimated 4,00…

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This is whataboutism.

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Post by Agamus »

runnerup wrote: post #20
crote wrote: post #7

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Don't worry, drinking and partying is outlawed too. And they will absolutely check. Can't provide proof of marriage? Straight to jail it is!

Doha has areas set aside for drinking, bars, etc. They don’t enforce rules about sex between tourists / western expats unless someone involved brings it directly to law enforcements attention and asks for their intervention. Don’t let anyone know you’re gay or the victim of sexual assault. But consenting sex between two middle class non-Muslims behind closed doors is a complete non issue.

The fact that there is any confusion about this, (and clearly there is!), makes this an issue.

For my part, I would never travel to a middle eastern country for any reason, specifically to avoid the possibility that something I never suspected could be an issue, becomes an issue.

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Post by harry8 »

daemin wrote: post #109
cassianoleal wrote: post #13

The title downplays this a lot. The first sentence in the article reads "Any extramarital sexual encounter (...) could result in a seven-year jail sentence." That usually means any sexual relation outside of marriage is forbidden, even between life partners.

It's also the case that if a couple isn't married then they need to stay in separate accomodation while in the country.

If you get raped and report it as though you were in a civilized place you will be arrested and charged with adultery. For being raped.

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Post by Bhurn00985 »

TomGullen wrote: post #37
krzrak wrote: post #4

it's disgusting to organize public, worldwide events in barbaric countries.

Interesting interview on the radio here in the UK a few weeks ago with a famous climber who went to Saudi Arabia I think to compete after much moral deliberation. He did say that every native he spoke to was very grateful for his attendance, people travelling and participating in these sorts of events is an effective way to bring change and open peoples eyes, mainly through his insistence there were female climbers c…

It could bring change and open people's eyes, but it can also be used to legitimize and normalize a regime that shouldn't.
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