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Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival

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Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival

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Post by flemhans »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #75
yayachiken wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am going to start working for one of those German cloud providers (not Schwarz Group) next month. As far as I understand so far, the barrier-to-entry is actually a feature. Those providers usually strictly target the B2B sector, with a focus on small to medium companies which only now start to do "digitalization". They usually still run with old-fashioned IT departments and certainly no budget to hire a full DevOps…

>"Internet made in Germany" This makes me shudder just thinking about this, knowing how bad internet in Germany is, falling behind countries like Romania and Ukraine by several leagues.

Yes!

Back in 2010 when I used to live in Berlin we found it almost fun and cute how there was bad internet, poor mobile coverage, and no credit cards accepted.

It was fun to return in 2020 and experience the exact same thing again

Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival

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Post by bkircher »

jotm wrote: post #35
sschueller wrote: post #7

As long as I can't provision these service myself without having to "call for advice" I am not using it irregardless of the price. It's 2022 and any company still hiding behind "call for pricing" or "call for quote" that isn't servicing government agencies is going to be eaten alive by any other provider not making customer run thought hoops. They claim they are the German AWS when they miss the first thing that Bezo…

Phone call culture is real in Germany lol. It's pretty maddening sometimes, I'd write emails that include everything they might need to know, yet they insist on calling back just to read the emails and confirm every point. Like... why?

Like the (sadly) usual "Hey, just calling you up to let you know that I just send you an email! Have you read it yet? What do you think?"

Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival

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Post by bkircher »

Havoc wrote: post #80

Spotted something intriguing. Full price list has no pricing for ingress/egress. None whatsoever. For anything. None of the basic pricing looks particularly competitive, but if that isn't an omission then that could be interesting

There are a couple of smaller "cloud" providers who do not ([1]). I think this might be simply because they lack the tech for traffic shaping here. So they usually implement a "fair use policy" (whatever that means). But yes, ingress and egress traffic is essentially offered for free.

[1]: Another one is gridscale.io, also from Germany

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Post by fomine3 »

ushakov wrote: post #117
est31 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nothing with worldwide relevance in the software, AI nor cloud space came out of Germany / the EU within in the last decades. Let me list some: * Teamviewer: used to be more famous in the past but it is still a known brand to people world wide * Cherry: more of a hardware thing, but they are known world-wide for their MX switches * Deepl: a xoogler founded startup that is better than Google translate * Soundcloud:…

these are exceptions US produces more unicorns per year that Germany managed in 20 years https://news.crunchbase.com/unicorn-company-list/

The US is exceptional.

Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

est31 wrote: post #79
kalaido wrote: post #3

As a German I would like to point out, that German companies are (as always) too late to the party. Nothing with worldwide relevance in the software, AI nor cloud space came out of Germany / the EU within in the last decades. It's embarrassing :(

> Nothing with worldwide relevance in the software, AI nor cloud space came out of Germany / the EU within in the last decades. Let me list some: * Teamviewer: used to be more famous in the past but it is still a known brand to people world wide * Cherry: more of a hardware thing, but they are known world-wide for their MX switches * Deepl: a xoogler founded startup that is better than Google translate * Soundcloud:…

To be fair, apart from SAP, none of those are hugely profitable or hiring like crazy.

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

stnikolauswagne wrote: post #119
pjmlp wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why most of them hire consulting shops, as they see IT as a pure cost center.

The irony is that a lot of the consulting shops that specialize in assisting the mittelstand are utterly horrendous money pits. In my capacity as CTO for a german mittelstand company I have had to fire over 80% of the consulting shops i worked with for either blatant incompetence (developing a plugin that fits none of the design document, deploying it straight to production and in the process blowing up the entire AP…

>the prospect of paying 60k+ for a SWE is unthinkable

Everything wrong with EU/German tech industry and why it will never catch up to the US, in a nutshell basically.

Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival

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Post by CRConrad »

sschueller wrote: post #98
quadcore wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we (Europe) need a Shenzhen-like zone (probably between France and Germany). That is a tax-free (15%) english speaking tech zone.

You mean "Schengen" not the Chinese city Shenzhen right? The agreement allowing free travel/work between EU countries and Switzerland as well as some others signed in Schengen, Luxembourg.

Why would they mean "Europe needs something like Schengen" when Europe already has Schengen?
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