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The Xinjiang Police Files
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
The torture seems similar, but the scale is completely different. In Xinjiang, it’s been at least 1.2 million people making up a sizable portion of all Uighur Muslims. That’s compared to around 800 people in Guantanamo Bay (and only about 40 remaining there). Guantanamo Bay is completely horrible and should never have happened, but it wasn’t genocide.
How is the torture “similar”?
Did you see the photo of hundreds of hooded and shackled people kneeling out in the sun?
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#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where are the death camps? The gas chambers? This comment has no place on HN for sheer idiocy and sensationalism.
> Where are the death camps? The gas chambers? This comment has no place on HN for sheer idiocy and sensationalism. Gaza itself is an open air internment camp, under Israeli occupation; they use illegal munitions on civilian targets, and claim that its extremist reside within those homes. Their is a literal wall surrounding all of Gaza in order to keep them in place, and you have the audacity to make such a claim? An…
if you use a different definition of camp that other people use nobody will understand what you are saying
gaza is under blockade because after israel gave them full autonomy they elected a terrorist government and attacked israel
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#144As we saw after the invasion of Ukraine, the West can mount a swift, concerted and effective response, that deals a lot of damage to the offending country's economy. I'm sure that evidence of Xinjiang crimes will invoke the same kind of decisive action.
Decisive action ? We are far too economically dependent on China for anything comparable to Russia.
In fact the only products the West depends on Russia, gas and oil have not been sanctioned !
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suppose it would be helpful if you provided some grounds on why you do not trust this foundation. There are other messages in this discussion showing distrust in the foundation and Dr. Zenz, but none provide background for that.
They are untrustworthy because they are driven by strong anti-communist ideology.
It's a false believe that only those who declare neutrality can tell the truth and everything said by anyone with an agenda must be a lie made to further their goals. On the contrary those who strive for/against something have the energy required to uncover truth, to tell it again and again even when facing opposition.
Yes we want neutral journalism, but that means to look at all sides and verify the facts, it does not mean to completely disregard something because a source is not neutral. It does not mean to disregard facts because they align with some ideology.
We also want neutral judges, but when the accused says they did not do the crime, and accuser says they did, and the evidence says they did, the neutral judge should not disregard the evidence because it aligns with one side. That is not what neutrality means.
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#146I'm always surprised how little interest there seems to be from the international muslim community in the Xinjiang situation, given that at least parts of it really blow up over even minor anti-Islam actions by single individuals quite regularly. The actions of China seem at least in part aimed at extinguishing Islam as a religion in the region, which would seem far worse than some person drawing a cartoon. But maybe…
Religion is only an excuse for hate and violence. Most of the population has already found their favorite enemy in the west, primarily USA, Germany, Israel. State actors and other powerful people have nothing to gain by antagonizing China, who doesn't give a damn. Wait until there is a border dispute between China and Pakistan and suddenly the Muslim world will care about Xinjiang.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is not a far cry, it is in fact almost exactly the same situation, although to my knowledge the crimes of Israel are much more well documented by many sources. Also note that it has taken almost a decade to get to this level of awareness and still to this day Israel critics are called anti-semites and worse. Hopefully more widespread awareness and outrage about the treatment of Muslims in Xinjiang comes soon. EDIT…
"almost exactly the same situation" Did the Muslims in Xinjiang declare a war against China? did they blow up Chinese buses or shoot thousands of rockets at Chinese civilians ?
uh yeah, kinda. the following is from 2011.
>In recent years, ETIM has set up bases outside China to train terrorists and has dispatched its members to China to plot and execute terrorist acts including bombing buses, cinemas, department stores, markets and hotels. ETIM has also undertaken assassinations and arson attacks and has carried out terrorist attacks against Chinese targets abroad. Among the violent acts committed by ETIM members were the blowing up of the warehouse of the Urumqi Train Station on 23 May 1998, the armed looting of 247,000 RMB Yuan in Urumqi on 4 February 1999, an explosion in Hetian City, Xinjiang, on 25 March 1999 and violent resistance against arrest in Xinhe County, Xinjiang, on 18 June 1999. These incidents resulted in the deaths of 140 people and injuries to 371.
https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/sanctions/1267/aq_sanctio...
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is not a far cry, it is in fact almost exactly the same situation, although to my knowledge the crimes of Israel are much more well documented by many sources. Also note that it has taken almost a decade to get to this level of awareness and still to this day Israel critics are called anti-semites and worse. Hopefully more widespread awareness and outrage about the treatment of Muslims in Xinjiang comes soon. EDIT…
"almost exactly the same situation" Did the Muslims in Xinjiang declare a war against China? did they blow up Chinese buses or shoot thousands of rockets at Chinese civilians ?
Indeed, only the actions of the oppressor are "almost exactly the same".
The Uygars have so far been a lot more peaceful in their oppression.
I also find that Israel is very good in presenting itself in the western MSM, while China seems to have the western MSM against it lately. That makes me also a bit more hesitant to accept the MSM's China critiques.
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
The international community looks at Israel and sees Arab citizens, Arab judges including on the supreme court, the 14 current elected Arab members of the Knesset. They look at the ancient, vibrant jewish communities that have historically been well integrated across the predominantly Arab nations of the Middle East for thousands of years and... Sorry, who are the Nazis? I'm in no way trying to justify everything don…
> Sorry, who are the Nazis? I've made it quite clear, and you even stated you think Zionism is abhorrent, why would you ask such a myopic question? Much worse, think that 'whataboutism' is an adequate deflection of what has been blatant genocide and crimes against Humanity. I'm not going to indulge your Zionist propaganda about flourishing cities.
It's not whataboutism trying to misdirect to an unrelated issue, it's a broadening of the examination of the same conflict and behaviour by the same involved parties.
I would actually agree with you that some incidents perpetrated by the Israeli military and government probably do rise to the level of war crimes. That's quite true. However I don't think it's misdirection to point out that in the same conflict the frequently stated objective, and in some cases official policy of many parties on the other side of the conflict is the planned execution of war crimes and genocide.
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only a little over 30 years ago USA rolled out its police to blow up its own citizens, razing entire city block: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing . They didn't need to deny or cover up anything, obviously nobody got punished for this, because the victims were black. So, yeah, while the Western people can certainly voice their opinion, it's often because their opinion doesn't matter. ("According to an a…
Did you read your own link? The "Aftermath" section where several courts condemned those actions and awarded substantial awards to the victims. The City apologized. Independent commissions condemned the decision. Can you please list all of the acts of restitution that the Chinese government has done since 1989? Oh, and ignoring all that, you're posting an awful lot of whataboutisms . I count about 9 of them so far. W…
While you are right, I think GP still has a point. Those responsible for the MOVE massacre walked from it.
The broader point I think GP tries to make is: the west should not be so quick to point fingers, especially not while it's own fingers are covered in blood.
The US likes to same "human rights violations" about other nations, but then commits many themselves every year, and claims to be above the The Hague court.
I also believe the US has not right to use those terms while it is still misbahaving on such a large scale.