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Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

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Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

#141
This is exactly how I'm feeling at the moment. I was an entrepreneur all of my twenties, started a few companies, one of them is mildly successful. I left that company last summer, and now I'm freelancing and probably starting a new job at a small but "normal" company as a software engineer soon.

When I was an entrepreneur, I was always afraid that going "back" to just being an employee would make me unhappy, make me lose "status" and respect from friends and family.

The truth is, that it's all bullshit. I don't care about status anymore. I learned that the most important thing for me is freedom (financial and geographic) and spending time with people I love.

That doesn't mean I don't want to work on interesting projects and maybe some time in the future have a small impact somehwere. It just means that it's not the most important thing for me anymore.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

#142
In the end 99% of people do boring things, first in teenage years well into 20s people have great ideas, they wanna change world and other nonsense until they hit reality and usually by 30s while having children they realize how naive they were and why were their parents boring, doing things like other people with no more great ideas anymore, just wanna live peaceful life with health and enough money.

Do what you want, not what other people tell you to do, but sooner you realize the reality the less energy you will waste on things you can't change. Same goes for success stories if billionaries, for each of these there are thousands and thousands failures which are not promoted in media. You can do whatever you want but statistically odds are against you acomplishing something great.

Btw. I was living in China which was definitely not boring country, but that craziness and excitement and constant changes can be manageable only for so long, before you get tired of them and before I left I was saying boring is good, can't wait to be back in boring Europe. I'm glad to be back in boring Europe, which is changing slowly compared to rapid changes in China. What changes in China in 1 year takes in Europe at least 5 years.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

#143
The first thing you need to do is accept that you can't have everything you're looking for and that you have to explicitly decide on the tradeoffs you're comfortable with. The best writing on this subject comes from Tim Urban, in this lengthy but worthwhile essay: https://waitbutwhy.com/2018/04/picking-career.html.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

#144
Here's my 30-something perspective. It's mostly settled for 10 years now with little change, as I'm very happy with it.

I decided then what should be my guiding principle: build things, and don't become mainly a consumer of things.

That's very vague on purpose: "build things" can refer to writing, photography, build gizmos with electronics, inventing cocktails, woodworking, games theorycrafting, repairing broken stuff, and obviously developing things (that's my profession). Those have all been hobby of mine at some point, ranging from a few months to several years. I generally loose interest once I've learned enough or feel like it's starting to get repetitive or there is no way to progress without being a professional. And that's okay, those are hobbies.

Not being main a consumer doesn't mean never playing games, watching shows or socializing, but it does mean I'd rather not spend all my time on those. If I find myself spending too much time on those, I try to kick myself in the butt to build something instead.

Another decision was that I wanted to be my main job to be for societal good, and not a meaningless or morally questionable job. That means, for me, no banking, defense, ads at least. Despite not wanting to create a company, I ended up creating one (luckily when I was younger and had more energy and free time). Nowadays, I consider myself a regular employee with a weird "founder" status. This leaves me enough time to engage with whatever building I fancy at the moment.

As a consequence of those choices, there are a few things I had to make peace with: I'm never going to be really rich, I will stay firmly in the middle class (dev is a good position, but doesn't pay as much as in the states here). I will never be famous, I won't become an entrepreneur or businessman. Frankly, it's really okay: I don't want the stress associated with those, I'd rather have a happy life I can enjoy.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

#145
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Same. Maybe they just used counterpoint incorrectly? Misunderstanding?

Or maybe they're a musician, and are using the musical definition of 'counterpoint', where a melody is played with another melody and together they harmonize.

Indeed I was using this definition of the word, and quite purposefully as there are both complementary and contrasting elements. Online discussion is biased towards the "argumentative" so sometimes it helps to break people's expectations.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

#146

I just turned 50 and I’d say I’ve had entrepreneurial episodes where I’ve tried ambitious things and also times I was more ‘boring’ and mostly thinking about paying back my HELOC. I am working on another reinvention now and it will take a lot of time and a lot of work…. And I’ve still got some time and ability to work and a strong feeling of urgency because I don’t know how much I have left.

That is an important observation: as you get older you become more aware of the clock ticking so if you do start something the pressure will be up considerably.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

#147
I empathise with this, especially:

"People (myself included) are very limited and imperfect. The body requires a lot of maintenance and has limited energy. Money is really nice."

I used to really push myself with a million projects, coding and otherwise. But I was eating like crap and sitting down all day, and felt awful as a result. I can't live that sort of hyper-driven life if I'm going to exercise and eat right (which for me tends to mean time spent cooking).

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

#148

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I have a great counterpoint quote from Edward Abbey: "One final paragraph of advice: do not burn yourselves out. Be as I am - a reluctant enthusiast....a part-time crusader, a half-hearted fanatic. Save the other half of yourselves and your lives for pleasure and adventure. It is not enough to fight for the land; it is even more important to enjoy it. While you can. While it’s still here. So get out there and hunt an…

> hunt and fish and mess around with your friends, ramble out yonder and explore the forests, climb the mountains, bag the peaks, run the rivers, breathe deep of that yet sweet and lucid air, sit quietly for a while and contemplate the precious stillness, the lovely, mysterious, and awesome space I like to keep in mind this romantic i MaDe tRaVeLinG a LifEstYle BS is enabled by the folks who are typically working the…

First, I will offer you an internet hug. I do think we are all entitled to more than suffering and toil, and I think you are too.

Second, I'll invite you to go back and read that quote a few more times. Sit with it. There is more there. I am half-heartedly fanatic about it.

Third, I think you are overestimating this great society. Might it be creating this suffering instead of easing it? Is joy rare, only produced by capitalism, and built on the sufferings of others or free and abundant? Why are we all working so hard? Is it for ourselves and our neighbors, or do you hear the same giant sucking sound as I do while the profit of our collective labor goes to benefit a few barons and the negative externalities rain from the sky?

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

#150
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> What life choices did you make to be able to have access to private equity markets but also go to month-long festivals? Some entrepreneurial things worked out, some speculative things worked out, they're not mutually exclusive to me. (When I do an entrepreneurial thing, I think of the shares I create as being part of my portfolio just like shares I bought from someone else. Its the same buy low, sell high mentality…

Do you have two million liquid bucks or not?

You don’t need that if you earn $200k a year, have two kinds of stockbroker licenses, or are good at lying.

I signed up for some accredited investor sites after passing via the income rule and was kind of annoyed that it just causes people to call you who expect you to have $50k to invest like it’s pocket change.

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