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Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

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Find what's fulfilling for you. For me, it was not fulfilling to be shut out of the private equity markets because I made too little as a wage slave. It was not fulfilling for me to not have the choice of hopping out to month long festivals, because I was merely earning UP TO 2 weeks of time off, or the unlimited vacation policy was just 2 weeks of time because the expectations from the manager were the same. For oth…

What life choices did you make to be able to have access to private equity markets but also go to month-long festivals? Also what festivals are a month long? I have a feeling we may be in different tax brackets haha.

> Also what festivals are a month long? I have a feeling we may be in different tax brackets haha.

Usually not just a single thing, but if you go to some main ones its easy to get caught up in a string of things with other people that think its normal to keep going.

Art Basel in Miami last December was 1 week long, and surrounded by multiple other festivals. The energy stays there for some time, and next thing you know its New Years which has its own surge again.

Cannes Film Festivals is two weeks and goes right into the Monaco Grand Prix, and the opening parties in the party areas (St Tropez, Ibiza).

SXSW is the same way.

Oh, the seasonal Fashion Week's are actually the best example. NYFW goes into London Fashion Week, into Paris, into Milan. Then a month has definitely gone by. This happens in both February and in September.

There are a bunch of bullshit tech conferences if thats more your speed, just excuses to go to some cities with other people that want to party, or are kind of looking for deal flow, or are in sales at a big company. A lot of VC people wind up at those for their endless excuses to get on a stage and talk amongst themselves in a "fire side chat". You can invite them out more easily when you don't seem like someone that needs them.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but that seems complementary to Watterson's quote, not a counter to it?

Same. Maybe they just used counterpoint incorrectly? Misunderstanding?

Or maybe they're a musician, and are using the musical definition of 'counterpoint', where a melody is played with another melody and together they harmonize.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

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I'm doubly wary of unsuccessful people telling me it's (nearly) impossible to be successful. Can't never could.

You need to look at it statistically though. Many more have failed than succeeded and while not exactly the same, your argument could be used for someone wanting to be a FIFA or NFL athlete. Sure, some succeed, but many don't. Same with the million-dollar business idea.

There's a lot more room for multi-million (maybe even billion) dollar businesses than there is room for professional footballers. They aren't even in the same, err, football field.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

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From Bill Watterson's commencement speech at Kenyon College in 1990. I was lucky to read this when I was graduating and it changed my whole career path. I am now very happy and very boring: "Creating a life that reflects your values and satisfies your soul is a rare achievement. In a culture that relentlessly promotes avarice and excess as the good life, a person happy doing his own work is usually considered an ecce…

This quote reminds me of a book I just finished: "The Pathless Path" by Paul Millerd https://think-boundless.com/the-pathless-path/

It's about rejecting the default career path which our society considers normal and desirable. The default path is the one where you go to school, enter a career, work the career until you retire ... etc.

I have been a lot of trouble lately figuring out why I'm so unhappy with my career. I knew I was on the wrong path, but I couldn't see the next step on my trail in life. This book made me see that there are plenty of people living happily off the default path. The books made me more determined to seek the pathless path.

I suggest reading it for anyone who is feeling listless in their career and needs a fresh new perspective.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

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Well, if you had 100 million dollars, what would you do?

For me, I would build something. A certain thing. And I realized that it's easier to get a job and get paid doing that instead of building/buying a team. I can be a billionaire later, but I won't necessarily be able to do what I really want to do.

Another angle is that I won't have the energy to be a developer when I'm old, but I can always do (senior) management 20 years from now. The entrepreneur route locked me out of development; I was making some sketchy decisions like coding stuff instead of buying.

If you just want free time and family, go for it. Family can also be a limited period - many people don't want kids past a certain age and only want to see their kids grow up. You're not going to play blocks with your son when he's 25. After that, you can go and chase material stuff. Many new careers start at 50. A lot involve family. An option is semi-retiring at 25 and then really get into hustling and stuff at 50, once you have the resources, skills, and connections.

Financial freedom is often completely separate from your life goals, and not a subgoal. In fact, many people switch their goals and become boring because they focused too much on financial freedom. The trader who makes $100k per month hits financial freedom... do you think he'd do his childhood dream job as a janitor at Disney World? Most likely he'd aim for making $120k next month.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

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Well, if you had 100 million dollars, what would you do? For me, I would build something. A certain thing. And I realized that it's easier to get a job and get paid doing that instead of building/buying a team. I can be a billionaire later, but I won't necessarily be able to do what I really want to do. Another angle is that I won't have the energy to be a developer when I'm old, but I can always do (senior) manageme…

> After that, you can go and chase material stuff. Many new careers start at 50. A lot involve family. An option is semi-retiring at 25 and then really get into hustling and stuff at 50, once you have the resources, skills, and connections.

As someone who is 17, from my (perhaps naive) perspective, do you know if you will even be alive at 50? Or will you have the energy/health to make an impact? A family now is good and all, but putting off making - ideas, impact, change - sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

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Your mentor isn’t living your life. Your mentor will always advocate for difficult things that have a high chance of failure because they ultimately don’t have to suffer the consequences.

Take it from the guy who went on the risky route a few times - not worth it. I’m down a lot of money and divorced because of all that risk taking. (Risk taking is very taxing on marriages)

Boring is a lot more rewarding than people will have you believe. Don’t let others choose your path when they have no tangible investment in it.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

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"A mentor has advised me" What? I can't get the grocery store clerk to help me find wheat tortillas. How do you find a mentor? How does that relationship work? I am super curious.

> I can't get the grocery store clerk to help me find wheat tortillas

You definitely could if you asked.

This was my calculus professor whom I then did undergrad research with (ML just before deep learning became the hotness; not my major).

I actively stayed in touch and developed the relationship, eventually working with him in multiple projects/startups.

There are many paths to develop this kind of relationship.

One thing I have read that I think makes a lot of sense is don't ask anyone to "mentor" you. Just grab coffee/lunch and ask them questions. When they give you something actionable, go away and act on it. Then come back having taken action before asking for more advice. Do this a couple dozen times and you now have a mentor.

Re: Ask HN: Thoughts on being “boring”

#80
Join a hacker space.

You’ll be able to go there one evening a week and do that hobby project around people from different walks of life, and you’ll keep that entrepreneurial attitude via discussions with people at startups, consultants, etc that are using the same space. You’ll avoid being “boring” professionally by encountering all the wonderful things other people work on.

Then do a hobby the other nights — go dancing, join a band, play board games, whatever.

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Maybe I’m just incurably naive — but I still view myself as working on “big ideas”. But I’ve come to two conclusions:

1. I’m okay making my life about that — in a way a lot of people don’t want to.

2. I’m okay with that being a lot of time/effort/heartache — in a way that a lot of people choose to avoid, because it’s easily cost me 6 figures pursuing that, rather than a stable Big Co job.

I think what’s most important is to live the life you want to.

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