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Re: Flutter 3

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samwillis wrote: post #109
the_duke wrote: post #42

Despite many maturity issues in practice Flutter is the only realistic option for true cross platform UIs that run everywhere. Apart from Qt , but the licensing issue is a hindrance. And yes, the web backend isn't ideal, but it will improve over time. I just wish Google had built Flutter on a low level core that isn't tied to Dart, so it would be usable from other languages. Dart isn't horrible and is getting better,…

> Flutter is the only realistic option for true cross platform UIs that run everywhere. I understand that argument but 100% disagree. The web is the cross platform that runs everywhere (as in in a browser or webview). True it has many issues and some forms of it (electron) are not ideal for some use case but I believe it’s a better platform than flutter in almost every way. You say “true” cross platform and could arg…

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Re: Flutter 3

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Post by LocalPCGuy »

justinmc wrote: post #137
strongpigeon wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My app [0] isn't big, but it's highly rated and uses Flutter [0] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/five-three-one/id1560266240

Do you have an Android version?

Doesn't appear to based on the website, which is just sad considering it's almost zero effort to create an Android build as well. I'd consider using this app also.

Re: Flutter 3

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Post by mekkkkkk »

samwillis wrote: post #109
the_duke wrote: post #42

Despite many maturity issues in practice Flutter is the only realistic option for true cross platform UIs that run everywhere. Apart from Qt , but the licensing issue is a hindrance. And yes, the web backend isn't ideal, but it will improve over time. I just wish Google had built Flutter on a low level core that isn't tied to Dart, so it would be usable from other languages. Dart isn't horrible and is getting better,…

> Flutter is the only realistic option for true cross platform UIs that run everywhere. I understand that argument but 100% disagree. The web is the cross platform that runs everywhere (as in in a browser or webview). True it has many issues and some forms of it (electron) are not ideal for some use case but I believe it’s a better platform than flutter in almost every way. You say “true” cross platform and could arg…

I have yet to see a world in which local file access, background services, local notifications, timers, alarms, native media controls, etc, works as well on web as in native apps. A lot of it is there "in theory", but web tech has the achilles heel of only allowing stuff that would be safe to have in a random website that some asshat links you on twitter.

Of course this is only relevant if that deeper plumbing into the OS is needed, and of course it's quickly changing. Perhaps the day comes when web apps can truly be first class citizens in all major OSes, but it ain't here yet.

Re: Flutter 3

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Post by LocalPCGuy »

scarface74 wrote: post #34
ushakov wrote: post #3

did they fix the scrolling on iOS?

Yet another reason to avoid cross platform frameworks. They are always catching up to the vendor’s capabilities.

For the vast majority of (mobile) apps, the benefit of being able to be built from a single code base outweighs being slightly behind vendor capabilities. Particularly things like there where it doesn't come up in some apps and relatively few people actually notice/care about it in those it does.

Re: Flutter 3

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Post by mhoad »

the_duke wrote: post #42

Despite many maturity issues in practice Flutter is the only realistic option for true cross platform UIs that run everywhere. Apart from Qt , but the licensing issue is a hindrance. And yes, the web backend isn't ideal, but it will improve over time. I just wish Google had built Flutter on a low level core that isn't tied to Dart, so it would be usable from other languages. Dart isn't horrible and is getting better,…

For what it’s worth Dart is hands down the nicest OOP language I’ve ever used in my opinion.

It’s like they took all the good things about JS and Java and cut out all the bad parts. What’s left is basically Dart.

Re: Flutter 3

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Post by mekkkkkk »

LocalPCGuy wrote: post #131
the_duke wrote: post #42

Despite many maturity issues in practice Flutter is the only realistic option for true cross platform UIs that run everywhere. Apart from Qt , but the licensing issue is a hindrance. And yes, the web backend isn't ideal, but it will improve over time. I just wish Google had built Flutter on a low level core that isn't tied to Dart, so it would be usable from other languages. Dart isn't horrible and is getting better,…

I still maintain that Flutter Web is not production ready. It could have a nice niche, like games. But for real apps, it's just not as good as web. They are still re-implementing things that have existed in the web for ages, and are not going to be able to keep up. It's basically good for an applet style usage IMO. I'll keep trying it out, I think Flutter is pretty great for mobile, even desktop, but every time I use…

The way it atleast used to be framed is that web is a fallback target. Meaning if the target device isn't running Linux, Windows, macOS, iOS or Android (unlikely), then hey, you can atleast build a passable version that will run in a browser.

I don't know if this has changed, but I know only a mad man would try to build a proper website in Flutter. It's not the tool for the job.

Re: Flutter 3

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Post by mnorris »

livinglist wrote: post #121

I have been working on a Hacker News client using Flutter, if anyone is interested: https://github.com/Livinglist/Hacki

Thanks for sharing! The design looks really slick.

As a hobbyist Flutter developer who hasn't figured out how to make Flutter apps look remotely appealing yet, it's been cool poking around your code and trying to learn from it. Bloc and Cubit look especially interesting.

Re: Flutter 3

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Post by mhoad »

KronisLV wrote: post #97
mattsolle wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought I would hate Dart since it seems like such a bland language but after working in it for a year and a half its easily one of my favorites. Its straightforward and tailored directly for Flutter's use-cases. It feels like it doesn't come with a lot of the baggage you get with other, longer-lived languages. It is also incredibly readable without hiding how it works behind decades of syntactic sugar. All that to…

> It feels like it doesn't come with a lot of the baggage you get with other, longer-lived languages. Doesn't this mean that you are currently simply in the sweet spot where the language is usable but also not bloated yet? As in, it could all change in a decade and therefore isn't an intrinsic quality of the language itself, but merely the passage of time. I recall this blog post exploring the possible correlation be…

This might not be obvious in anyway if you’re not pretty deep in the Dart ecosystem but I’ve never seen anyone pay as much attention about building a good long term language as that team.

They put crazy amounts of thought and effort into how they evolve it.

Their entire strategy as far as I know was to intentionally aim for “boring and predictable” so that no matter how large or complicated your application got that you would never outgrow it.

Then they built a bunch of really nice tooling and DX on top of it.

It’s genuinely a pleasure to work with in my experience.

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