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New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by emodendroket »

starchild_3001 wrote: post #130
noobermin wrote: post #111

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While I'm wary for Taiwan what does that have to do at all with this story??? This sort of sentiment reminds me of those Americans who want to stop drinking Vodka over the invasion of Ukraine.

If you're reading a tech news coming out of China, and aren't thinking about politics, you're doing something wrong. Every tech company in China is in part owned or supported by the chinese government. Hard to talk about "independent tech". They're more like "national tech". Today and the next 50 years in tech is being defined by the competition between the two superpowers. Their national objectives differ vastly. Ch…

I really do not think a Taiwan invasion is imminent, at least short of a huge provocation.

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Post by emodendroket »

heavyset_go wrote: post #100
pzduniak wrote: post #97

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Wasn't the Bloomberg story debunked?

"Debunked" as in no conclusive evidence was confirmed by 3rd parties. It could just as equally mean that investigators might not have found the needle they're looking for in the supply chain haystack.

Part of spy agencies' job is to plant news stories, so I find "just trust me, there's something substantial you don't know about besides the flimsy evidence we did provide" pretty hard to accept.

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Post by antifa »

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #60
throwaway4good wrote: post #27

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Even if relies on TSMC and IP-blocks purchased from other companies - it is still cool that a 2-year old startup can create graphics card that appears to compete with what giants like NVDIA and AMD are offering.

> can create graphics card that appears to compete with what giants like NVDIA and AMD are offering. uh ... no. six teraflops is a card from 2017.

My GPU that was midrange in 2012 could use an upgrade.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

starchild_3001 wrote: post #137
starchild_3001 wrote: post #130

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If you're reading a tech news coming out of China, and aren't thinking about politics, you're doing something wrong. Every tech company in China is in part owned or supported by the chinese government. Hard to talk about "independent tech". They're more like "national tech". Today and the next 50 years in tech is being defined by the competition between the two superpowers. Their national objectives differ vastly. Ch…

Re: Chinese real estate bubble. It's been almost 10 years since news outlets and finance people have claimed a RE bubble in China. Nothing happened. Buyer (of RE and the bubble hype) beware. "60 mins" from 2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxjwhk1ktNw

It’s been almost ten years since the same people first starting claiming that Evergrande was insolvent. The government is just able to prop things up for amazing amount of time, but $1 million dollar 2 bedroom apartments in third tier or worse cities aren’t sustainable.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

kova12 wrote: post #115
noobermin wrote: post #111

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While I'm wary for Taiwan what does that have to do at all with this story??? This sort of sentiment reminds me of those Americans who want to stop drinking Vodka over the invasion of Ukraine.

I think what he's trying to say is that China wants to have GPU production ready before it happens, so that they are not left without technology once the sanctions kick in

But is this getting ready for that? Until China can produce its own fab equipment (taking Taiwan intact won’t help here), they will simply have fancy designs that they can’t produce. It doesn’t make sense unless they are betting on continued business relationship with the west.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by heavyset_go »

emodendroket wrote: post #142
heavyset_go wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Debunked" as in no conclusive evidence was confirmed by 3rd parties. It could just as equally mean that investigators might not have found the needle they're looking for in the supply chain haystack.

Part of spy agencies' job is to plant news stories, so I find "just trust me, there's something substantial you don't know about besides the flimsy evidence we did provide" pretty hard to accept.

They'll also gag researchers if they think they might leak state secrets. Perhaps intelligence agencies know about adversaries' backdoors, and exposing them further would risk their current advantageous position in an arms race with those adversaries.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by tryptophan »

antattack wrote: post #93

MTT S60 has a 6-pin power connector so it's safe to assume that power consumption is under 150W (75W PCI + 75W connector). That would be on par with GTX 1070 but hopefully it's lower due to 12nm vs 16nm process.

Hmm, thats actually quite decent. Enough to play 95% of games at 1080p currently.

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Post by chillacy »

emodendroket wrote: post #141
starchild_3001 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're reading a tech news coming out of China, and aren't thinking about politics, you're doing something wrong. Every tech company in China is in part owned or supported by the chinese government. Hard to talk about "independent tech". They're more like "national tech". Today and the next 50 years in tech is being defined by the competition between the two superpowers. Their national objectives differ vastly. Ch…

I really do not think a Taiwan invasion is imminent, at least short of a huge provocation.

For numbers, Metaculus collectively puts China annexing Taiwan by 2050 at around 50%: https://www.metaculus.com/questions/5320/chinese-annexation-...

30 years is a long time for forecasting though, afaik forecasting accuracy in tournaments drops as a function of time.

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Post by rjzzleep »

keewee7 wrote: post #63
nwatson wrote: post #51

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But maybe it can be sold in Russia.

Doubt it. It's either manufactured in Taiwan or by a Taiwanese compant in China.

It doesn't matter. You could always still buy everything in Iran regardless of what's sanctioned. Engineering firms were actually a bit upset because even though they wanted to buy licenses for e.g. STAAD Pro, they were forced to use pirated copies.

At the end of the day the sanctions will do nothing but increases prices. The goods themselves won't stop flowing.

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Post by liuliu »

starchild_3001 wrote: post #130
noobermin wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I'm wary for Taiwan what does that have to do at all with this story??? This sort of sentiment reminds me of those Americans who want to stop drinking Vodka over the invasion of Ukraine.

If you're reading a tech news coming out of China, and aren't thinking about politics, you're doing something wrong. Every tech company in China is in part owned or supported by the chinese government. Hard to talk about "independent tech". They're more like "national tech". Today and the next 50 years in tech is being defined by the competition between the two superpowers. Their national objectives differ vastly. Ch…

China exuberates when private sector exuberates. It is equally naive on both the West (like your comment) and the CCP side to think that being supported by the government and government-sponsored industrial espionage is / was the why of China's economic miracle.

In the past 3 decades, it was repeatedly shown in China that government subsidies was only useful to a extent and created incredible amount of waste. The state-owned enterprises never hired or supported the most vibrant part of the community (middle classes in urban areas).

The success of companies in China, like in the rest of the world, can be attributed to the wits and lucks of their founders.

TBH, that is why the future of China looks grim to me. The current leadership seems unable to properly recognize the contribution of the private sector.

OTOH, people in the West looked at China, and imagined all the private enterprises are secretly owned by the government and the government picked winners / losers. That was simply not the winning formula in the past 30 years.

I can have a longer essay to establish this with data and examples, but it is too late. Probably save it for another day.

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