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Re: Hey Google, I want my cache links back

#141

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> If it makes people feel better ... It depends entirely on the outcome of the debate.

I'm just speaking personally, but I'm on the side of most of the folks here. A senior engineer is looking into the ["society of spectacles"] search now, for example. What would be most helpful would be constructive examples of bad queries, bad experiences, or concrete proposals for how to improve Google's results page or results UI.

Back in May, I started keeping a log of Google annoyances, mostly funky search results. Here's most of it, minus the cussing and snark. :-)

05/23/2011 Search for "tricycline", got 139,000,000 results, mostly spam. Search for "tricycline quack", get results for "tri cyclen" and "ortho tricyclin".

05/23/2011 Search Google Images for "cloudmin screenshots", get 423 results, not a single one is a screenshot of the Cloudmin interface.

05/23/2011 Search Google for "VZManager", get results for "VZAccess Manager", with "VZAccess Manager" hilited in the results as the search term I was looking for.

05/24/2011 Search Google for "480vs factory reset" (need to see if anyone's mentioned how to reset a piece of equipment whose model is "480vs"), get results for "480 vs factory reset", including things like "5970 vs GTX 480 vs 5870". A simple "nothing found" would have been better.

05/24/2011 Try "+480vs factory reset", get a few results from content farms with automatically generated content for longtail searches like this. I know this is a constant struggle for Google, so no points deducted here.

05/27/2011 Search for "rebuild program list start menu", get results from microtrendsecurity.com, a splog.

05/30/2011 Search for "consrv.dll", get results for "winsrv.dll".

06/07/2011 Google product search for "seagate freeagent goflex"; supposedly available for $76, lowest actual base price for any of them is $97.35.

06/29/2011 (I gave up updating the file for a while) Search for "mysql log fail starting" (which was a search suggestion, btw), get results for "mysql log file starting" instead. Also, didn't realize at first that it was giving me stuff I didn't ask for, because of a UI issue: the format of the warning at the top is too similar to the font & size of the search results, so it took me a few clicks to realize what was going on. (Also, I'm an idiot. But, as in this case, I also tend to rely on Google when I'm in a hurry, and I'm more inclined to be an idiot when I'm in a hurry.)

07/08/2011 Search for "mac .ai", keep getting search suggestions for "mac.com...", and if I fat-finger the arrow keys, then I have to go back and fix my search query. Extremely annoying.

07/21/2011 Search for "national instruments compromised", since they were, get results for Ni-Cad batteries.

08/19/2011 Search for "debian Module ip_set not found", get results for ipsec.

09/12/2011 Search for "mountain hardwear shirts", Google thinks you misspelled "shorts". This one got a laugh out of the household. :-)

...This isn't at all an exhaustive list of the Google annoyances I've run across, and it doesn't (mostly) include UI stuff that may be more subjective (like Google Instant, which is just plain miserable on older hardware). I've also edited the tone a lot -- some of these happen when I'm under the gun, trying to get more information on a problem possibly involving downtime somewhere, and that can be a really bad time to have to start fighting with Google -- a tool that, once upon a time, I trusted a lot.

Frustrations with search results similar to the examples here is at least a weekly, if not daily occurrence. When I see cool new Google projects like Google Plus, while search results continue to feel more and more like 1999 Altavista, I stop having warm fuzzy feelings about Google's dedication to search. Intellectually, I know you guys work hard on it, and I know you personally have compared current search results to much older ones, and found the current ones to be much better. But when I search for "shirts" and get results for "shorts" ... it kinda feels like something went wrong somewhere.

Re: Hey Google, I want my cache links back

#142

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> If it makes people feel better ... It depends entirely on the outcome of the debate.

I'm just speaking personally, but I'm on the side of most of the folks here. A senior engineer is looking into the ["society of spectacles"] search now, for example. What would be most helpful would be constructive examples of bad queries, bad experiences, or concrete proposals for how to improve Google's results page or results UI.

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Re: Hey Google, I want my cache links back

#143
post #37

Just google for cache:http://www.example.com/ and it will take you directly to the cached site. This is particularly nice in combination with Chrome's omnibar where you just have to prepend "cache:" before the current URL, hit return, and it will automatically show the cached version of the page you are viewing.

Cool trick. Completely fails at discoverability though.

There's also this addon for Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/resurrect-pag...

Re: Hey Google, I want my cache links back

#144

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I wouldn't charge my laptop in anyone's office (or home) without asking them and receiving permission. I don't see what's absurd about this.

If you were sitting in Google's lobby (with permission) you would feel the need to ask permission before plugging in your laptop's power adapter?

Yes. But the situation is not analogous, so the answer is irrelevant.

Re: Hey Google, I want my cache links back

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post #70

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No, they are not. Only if Google can’t find anything – which makes a lot of sense.

Only if Google can’t find anything – which makes a lot of sense. For me it doesn't, and it violates the Law of Demeter. If there are no results, tell me. Don't make me waste time wondering if any of the results have what I'm looking for, since there is no indication that the results I'm receiving are ancillary. Treating your users like they're idiots is evil.

But users are, on average, demonstrably ... not as savvy as search engineers as to the optimal way to operate their search engines.

Re: Hey Google, I want my cache links back

#147
post #23

Another thing that has been annoying me lately is that it seems like like I have to add a + in front of every word or Google might decide without any indication that it will completely ignore it.

I was going to suggest that google should insert a short "your search [A +B 'C D E'] returned x results" and then follow up with "Searching for [A B C D E] returned y results" to separate the results. Now I think about it, Google is most likely doing this intentionally, to get more data for "natural language search" ie, to infer what people might mean by combining the results, then seeing what people click on to vali…

I'm very happy with DDG. Their ! commands are really nice, the red-boxed "this is probably what you want" at the top of the results page is nice, and their habit of identifying sites as "official" is nice.

http://duckduckgo.com/?q=hacker+news

Re: Hey Google, I want my cache links back

#148

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Google clearly doesn't think that that Scroogle is a net minus to them, so why would you think so?

How do you know that they think that scroogle is not a net minus to them?

That they've been operating for a long time gives me that impression.

Re: Hey Google, I want my cache links back

#149
Install the Hide Google Instant Previews Userscript in Greasemonkey: http://userscripts.org/scripts/review/90222

Replace one line of code with this:

var css = ".vspib {display: none;} .vshid {display: inline; margin-left:7px;}";

You'll get "cache" and "similar" links back.

Thanks, bitmap.

Re: Hey Google, I want my cache links back

#150
post #37

Just google for cache:http://www.example.com/ and it will take you directly to the cached site. This is particularly nice in combination with Chrome's omnibar where you just have to prepend "cache:" before the current URL, hit return, and it will automatically show the cached version of the page you are viewing.

In Google Chrome you can just enter that in your url bar and it works: cache: http://www.example.com/

This only works if Google is your default search engine.
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