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Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Post by galfarragem »

Bhilai wrote: post #80

I am done. I did my part, wore masks (sometimes double masks,) three shots of vaccines and took all reasonable precautions that a sane person could do. But there are still unmasked people and unvaccinated people (sure, blame me for putting everyone in this binary category) and I am done caring about this class of people. I could not see my family for two years due to one or the other international travel restrictions…

> But there are still unmasked people and unvaccinated people and I am done caring about this class of people.

Humm, I wish it was that clear. I'm from Portugal, one of the countries with higher vax rate (anti-vax movement here is negligible) and a few days ago we were on world top 5 for new infections.

Disclaimer: I'm fully vaccinated. However I respect who isn't.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Post by giraffe_lady »

rajup wrote: post #113
giraffe_lady wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you feel about people who are vaccinated but will still likely have permanent serious consequences or shortened life span due to a "mild" infection? I'm in this category and it doesn't seem particularly rare. Rarely accounted for in these "I am done" type posts though.

Ok but what do you propose though? The vaccinated still spread COVID granted at a lesser rate. A permanent mask mandate? COVID is not going away.

Then we should adapt to it in ways that preserve life? Cholera didn't go away either we just have sewers and wash our hands a lot now.

I'm not a medical or public health expert, it's not up to me to figure it out.

But to start with, the idea that you can be "done" because you've already done "enough" and experienced inconvenience and made sacrifices needs to go. People need more from each other still, sorry!

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Post by xboxnolifes »

missedthecue wrote: post #110
sudosysgen wrote: post #10

Some people are saying that this is notable because Pfizer has a financial incentive to keep vaccine mandates. That is not true. Pfizer is going to be making a lot more money from their COVID treatments than from the vaccine.

Why not promote both though?

At this point, the majority of people who would take a yearly booster are going to get it regardless of a mandate.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Post by ghostwriter »

MagnumOpus wrote: post #106
Izkata wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and I am done caring about this class of people. And their response will be "Finally! This is all we've wanted this entire time!" I don't think most here understand just how much "this class of people" value freedom over safety.

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Privatize healthcare to the level there are no forced regular contributions anywhere, and stop taking my money at the point of the government coercion, then we'll see who actually is a freeloader in this society.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Post by walterbell »

xadhominemx wrote: post #129
walterbell wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To the contrary, #3 includes everyone receiving a booster, because immune system suppression/DoS immediately after a vaccine makes it the period of highest risk for both infection (from Covid or anything else) and vaccine injury. If we don't have separate reporting for #3, those negative effects will be attributed to #4. How many people know they should minimize physical exertion and crowds for 14 days post-vax?

Ok, that’s different from the definition you just provided but in any event it’s still a very small proportion of the population

> it’s still a very small proportion of the population

At present yes, but this was 100% of the now-vax population at a prior point in time (everyone passes through #3 to enter #2), so it should be separated in the historical record.

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Post by s1artibartfast »

MagnumOpus wrote: post #106
Izkata wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and I am done caring about this class of people. And their response will be "Finally! This is all we've wanted this entire time!" I don't think most here understand just how much "this class of people" value freedom over safety.

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But what about free and unlimited Healthcare is a fundamental human right

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Post by yonaguska »

AndrewUnmuted wrote: post #74
sudosysgen wrote: post #10

Some people are saying that this is notable because Pfizer has a financial incentive to keep vaccine mandates. That is not true. Pfizer is going to be making a lot more money from their COVID treatments than from the vaccine.

I cannot recall another example in my lifetime of a global populous all agreeing to purchase a pharmaceutical company's medical product - not just once, but 2-3x per person - in under two years' time. The implications of this phenomenon on Pfizer's business model are enormous. Pfizer & others would be foolish to not pay close attention to this and figure out a way to exploit it for further gains.

On the flip side, we're also going to witness a very large portion of the population that rejects most all pharmaceutical treatments due to lack of trust. Anyone that has had any vaccine injury, even if minor. Reproductive issues are in a weird classification as being "minor" in that they aren't life threatening, but they certainly are major for young women that are planning on having children. Another group that will have their trust shattered are the people that got vaxxed and boosted, and still caught covid in a very bad way. And finally, the group that has been turned off by the haphazard communication (at best) and downright creepy coercion to get vaccinated.

My trust in the system has been thoroughly shattered, I've gone from looking down at anti-vaxxers with disdain from before the pandemic- to now being labelled as part of that crowd because I am anti mandates. The whole timing of that terminology in and of itself is interesting as well- but that's probably going too deep down the rabbit hole.

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Post by wilde »

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #136
MagnumOpus wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Are you equally critical of the obese? Or those who ride motorcycles on the highway? As someone who is vaxxed, I struggle to see how the harm done by the unvaccinated is categorically worse than the risks taken by others at society's expense. I imagine you have none of the disdain for motorcycle riders that you do for the unvaccinated. Edit: For those replying to my comment, please note the comment I replied to liste…

The obese can’t kill me from across the room. A better analogy would be smokers, who I am also frustrated with but at least nicotine is addictive.

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Post by oversocialized »

Izkata wrote: post #86
Bhilai wrote: post #80

I am done. I did my part, wore masks (sometimes double masks,) three shots of vaccines and took all reasonable precautions that a sane person could do. But there are still unmasked people and unvaccinated people (sure, blame me for putting everyone in this binary category) and I am done caring about this class of people. I could not see my family for two years due to one or the other international travel restrictions…

> and I am done caring about this class of people. And their response will be "Finally! This is all we've wanted this entire time!" I don't think most here understand just how much "this class of people" value freedom over safety.

If you want safety, go to prison

Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates

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Post by fileeditview »

xscott wrote: post #135
fileeditview wrote: post #42

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I doubt that. Consider no one was vaccinated and 1% of humans would need medication because of a "serious" case. Then the medicine would need to be 100x more expensive than the vaccine considering the alternative is everyone was vaccinated. Now consider many people got 3 or even 4 shots. It's 300x-400x now. Also you can give the medicine to already vaccinated people that also have serious cases. So you still can sell…

> Then the medicine would need to be 100x [300x-400x] more expensive than the vaccine I'm not suggesting this is true, but it would need to be 100x-400x more profitable , and that includes cost to make and store as well as the price is charged. Maybe making mRNA vaccines costs much more than a simpler molecule like Paxlovid [0], and hospitals generally seem to charge much more than the over the counter price for ever…

This is what i meant (profitable). Sorry bad translation. However their vaccine research was highly funded by states (at least here in Germany and I suspect everywhere else too) so.. not sure how easy it would be to calculate all of that.
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