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Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by cookieswumchorr »

jcfrei wrote: post #114
snickerer wrote: post #22

I traveled many post-Soviet countries in the past years with my old camping car. My personal impressions in Kazakhstan were frightening. A deeply corrupt state, much worse than Russia. Aggressive armed bandits in police uniform tried to rob me several times. Kazakhstan is true mafia state where every part of the regime tries to enrich itself at the expanse of the people. In contrast to the rich oil elite there are th…

It's certainly not "backed by the west". These dictatorships exists because they allow the elites to exchange the profits from the sale of natural resources in exchange for dollars and euros. That money then flows into western equities, bonds and real estate. It's the (western) dependence on these natural resources that enables the regimes not the backing by the governments.

it's tolerated by the west. The most effective way to punish regimes would be to:

- take away (arrest, freeze, whatever) the elite's real estate in the west

- same thing with other assets, banc accounts etc

- ban them from living in the west or going to the west on vacation, for medical treatment.

- ban their families from living in the west, their kids from studying there.

this is not my idea, you will find similar suggestions a hundred times in different forms on the Russian-speaking internet.

maybe there is no legal base right now to do it as described, but the alternative is broad sanctions that hit the small people harder then regime collaborators.

edit: formatting

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by sedan_baklazhan »

mlindner wrote: post #46
radmuzom wrote: post #21

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Russia's sending paratroopers and it's somehow the US interfering? Lol? Khazakistan is under Russia's wing. Russia props up the dictatorship to help Russia. This uprising is a popular uprising.

Russia does that by a completely legitimate request of country's government. What kind of issue is there about it?

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Post by q1w2 »

awb wrote: post #134

How are articles like this relevant on HN? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. This is all over TV news. I get that it’s newsworthy, but it’s Reddit newsworthy not HN ne…

I wonder if there's a political version of HN that with actual experts in geopolitical analysis.

Social media is just everyone pushing their own agenda and guessing without providing any evidence or meaningful analysis, and when it comes to HN - it's pretty much the same.

It's nothing but anti-Russian sentiment and conspiracy theories in this thread. Nothing of substance, because no one here is an expert in this field.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by siva7 »

culebron21 wrote: post #139
siva7 wrote: post #87

Truly bizarre to ask as the head of state for foreign military intervention in your own country to dump down civil protest. Almost like it’s just a russian puppet state

Kazakhstan asked CSTO contries ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Org... ) to do that, whether we like this or not (I don't). So that's nothing bizzare, and 3000 Russian paratroopers (plus 1000 from other conutries) don't make such a huge country a puppet state. P.S. So funny, you complain you don't get the logic, and I get downvoted for explaining it, rather than calling names.

It absolutely is bizarre, even if they are military allies. Can you imagine Canada asking for US military on their own grounds to fight civilian protests? Me neither. That’s a definition of puppet state.

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Post by halpert »

fivea wrote: post #57
snickerer wrote: post #22

I traveled many post-Soviet countries in the past years with my old camping car. My personal impressions in Kazakhstan were frightening. A deeply corrupt state, much worse than Russia. Aggressive armed bandits in police uniform tried to rob me several times. Kazakhstan is true mafia state where every part of the regime tries to enrich itself at the expanse of the people. In contrast to the rich oil elite there are th…

> But why is such a dysfunctional dictatorship so stable? (...) I believe the answer is: it is backed by the West because a stable dictator in Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan guarantees the oil flow. And yet, it's Russia and it's strong-arm tactics that are desperately trying to keep Kazakhstan's regime in power. Think about it: Russia is even sending it's paratroopers to Kazakhstan to stomp out unrest. Not the US. Not the…

Just to add on to this, Russia needs support in the region. Most democratically elected governments do not choose to align themselves with Russia. This is why Putin always props up nearby dictators. Without support, Putin’s regime and power would be in danger. You see many examples of trying to strong arm support from weaker regional neighbors: Ukraine, Belarus, Syria, Georgia, and now this situation.

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Post by unethical_ban »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #130
glofish wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a really good point, when an American (or other rich Westerner) shows up in remote area, they are treated like a king, basically you are treated as people treat ridiculously good looking and popular people around them that they want to be around, that generosity you feel is nothing more than being popular and center of attention start living there, all of a sudden that generosity is not so obvious, families a…

>start living there, all of a sudden that generosity is not so obvious, families are at each other's throats for that bushel of corn one guys grandfather stole from the other fifty years ago, random shit gets stolen, the garden is trampled, trash is thrown over your yard because the neighbor wants to "save" on trash collection fees, people cut ahead of you around in the queues, So basically all the same petty BS that…

You could reframe your point without it being an attack on "HN" as a unit, and without making yourself sound above it.

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Post by stevespang »

halpert wrote: post #145
fivea wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But why is such a dysfunctional dictatorship so stable? (...) I believe the answer is: it is backed by the West because a stable dictator in Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan guarantees the oil flow. And yet, it's Russia and it's strong-arm tactics that are desperately trying to keep Kazakhstan's regime in power. Think about it: Russia is even sending it's paratroopers to Kazakhstan to stomp out unrest. Not the US. Not the…

Just to add on to this, Russia needs support in the region. Most democratically elected governments do not choose to align themselves with Russia. This is why Putin always props up nearby dictators. Without support, Putin’s regime and power would be in danger. You see many examples of trying to strong arm support from weaker regional neighbors: Ukraine, Belarus, Syria, Georgia, and now this situation.

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Post by solarhoma »

kingofkyiv wrote: post #99
thejackgoode wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Low, but it’s quite a skill. Referenced here “bald and bankrupt” is an expert in “behaving well”, I am still amazed by his skills to be honest

That is only on camera. He has been kicked off almost every other platform except YouTube. Visa, Uber, PayPal among others all kicked him off. Off camera he has been exposed as a debased sexual predator. Anyone interested can find the whole drama exposing him by searching reddit, his name, and similar terms to what I discussed.

I used to be a fan. Until as you described, I scratched the surface and found the posts he made. The rape allegations. It doesn’t take long to connect the dots that his trips to poor socioeconomic areas are not because they are interesting. But to find vulnerable women. And his naive audience is how he continues to pay for his predations.

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Post by major505 »

fivea wrote: post #57
snickerer wrote: post #22

I traveled many post-Soviet countries in the past years with my old camping car. My personal impressions in Kazakhstan were frightening. A deeply corrupt state, much worse than Russia. Aggressive armed bandits in police uniform tried to rob me several times. Kazakhstan is true mafia state where every part of the regime tries to enrich itself at the expanse of the people. In contrast to the rich oil elite there are th…

> But why is such a dysfunctional dictatorship so stable? (...) I believe the answer is: it is backed by the West because a stable dictator in Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan guarantees the oil flow. And yet, it's Russia and it's strong-arm tactics that are desperately trying to keep Kazakhstan's regime in power. Think about it: Russia is even sending it's paratroopers to Kazakhstan to stomp out unrest. Not the US. Not the…

Countries like Kazakhstan, serve russia as a buffer state from the Nato influence. If near countries start to align with the west, Russia will start to feel personally attacked.
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