Live data from Hacker News

Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

nytimes.com

141–150 of 463 posts

Re: Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

#141

Imagine living somewhere like China and not liking it. It would be hellish, you couldn’t even talk about it without a police visit or your boss passing trouble along to you. A giant human spirit grinder

Plenty people who have lived under communist regimes can tell you a lot what it feels like. In a way, you learn to live with it. You can talk about it with your family, your close friends. But not with colleagues - as you can't be certain who is and who isn't a spy. You need to be careful not to get involved in any provocation. If you have kids, you need to be extra careful - also about them. When you think about it, it's a bit tragic: normally you worry about your kid taking crack, but you'll probably notice that. But in a totalitarian regime, your kid can go to jail not for dealing drugs, but for being a sensitive, honest individual, naively believing they can change their country to be a better place. But most of the time it's not jail but things like being expelled from the university, losing your job (and not being able to find a new one), and similar forms of harassment to your family. But deaths were not uncommon, even after the Stalinist regime ended.

Re: Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

#142
On a relevant note, the Tiananmen Massacre monument at the University of Hong Kong was removed last night. They were careful to barricade everything to prevent any videos or images of the monument being destroyed.

https://hongkongfp.com/2021/12/23/breaking-fears-for-condemn...

Re: Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

#143
post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

I haven’t been to China but I grew up in post communist Europe. A concept unfamiliar to westerners are “open secrets”. Things that everyone knows, everyone talks about with each other, and never get mentioned in any official capacity. If someone asks with a camera, the answer is whatever it needs to be. If an official asks in the line of duty, the answer is the correct answer. If the same person asks as a friend 3 ho…

Since I am posting old russian jokes elsewhere in this thread.. here's an example of an "open secret":

A man yells in the street: "Nicholas is a moron!". He is taken away by the police on charges of lese majeste (insulting the monarch).

He tells the policemen "Please let me go, I meant another Nicholas!".

The police chief replies: "Do not lie. If you said 'moron', you certainly meant the Tsar!"

Re: Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

#145
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a Canadian, but I often watch American rallies on the news. I always laugh when some American protestors say they're being oppressed/the current regime is fascistic. I mean, you're gathered, in a crowd, often armed, with your message being broadcast, with a reasonable expectation (I know, I know, not always - especially for certain demographics) of going home/surviving. I'm not sure they really understand what fa…

The existence of worse problems does not make other problems go away. It's reasonable and desirable to strive for a better future no matter how good the present is.

Wouldn't that imply people are forever oppressed because things can be better.

Re: Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

#146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the same reason that the NBA came under fire after one of their GM's sent a tweet out in support of Honk Kong [1]. Of course it's important for the CCP to shape opinion abroad, it's seeking to supplant the US as a global power and needs the soft-influence that the US has. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/07/houston-rockets-gm-morey-del...

Yeah, threatening civilian organizations isn't how you gain soft power. The has the power it does because, aside from being very rich, before the 20th century they made extremely reasonable foreign policy decisions.

I don't think modern US soft power has much to do with 19th century politics. More than enough happened since then to completely override whatever was before.

Re: Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

#147

Imagine living somewhere like China and not liking it. It would be hellish, you couldn’t even talk about it without a police visit or your boss passing trouble along to you. A giant human spirit grinder

Quoted post unavailable.

> i wonder how people here inte west think of china. do you really think that GESTAPO will come and beat the shit out of you just because you were talking shit?

I have no idea what it is like generally, but this video[1] (which I admittedly cannot confirm the authenticity of) depicts a man who has been arrested for comments he made on social media. He is chained to the table and his arms are restricted as he tries to apologize for comments he made about the police to a WeChat group with 75 people in it.

[1] https://youtu.be/rbTXb6bEMfI?t=30

Re: Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

#148
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same in Europe and Australasia but without the guns.

And the free press, if we're talking about Australia. It doesn't count if one billionaire owns it all. Or being forcibly drafted by your government to spy on your employer.

While Assange is not free, neither USA nor Australia have any credibility with respect to a free press.

Re: Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

#149
post #75
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might it make you uncritically believe anything the NYT and Washington establishment media claims? Even if their primary sources are extremely dubious?

My daily first-hand encounters with China's 50 cent army suggest it's more than just dubious claims. If anything, the NYT is late to the party.

Sorry, but this is just naïve. Washington/NY media invented "yellow journalism" long before the PRC or your scapegoat "wumao" bogeyman even existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism#Hearst_in_Sa...

Re: Buying Influence: How China manipulates Facebook and Twitter

#150
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a Canadian, but I often watch American rallies on the news. I always laugh when some American protestors say they're being oppressed/the current regime is fascistic. I mean, you're gathered, in a crowd, often armed, with your message being broadcast, with a reasonable expectation (I know, I know, not always - especially for certain demographics) of going home/surviving. I'm not sure they really understand what fa…

The existence of worse problems does not make other problems go away. It's reasonable and desirable to strive for a better future no matter how good the present is.

The issue is that calling America a "fascistic regime" is flat-out wrong (at this point in time). It's just completely false - it doesn't matter that there are some issues, because it's crystal-clear to anyone who has read a few history books (or lived under an actual fascist regime, as one of my relatives has) that America ain't it.
Post reply on HN