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Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by SahAssar »

watermelon0 wrote: post #6

Microsoft finally made a browser which renders websites as expected, is up-to-date regarding security and features, and (most) people actually don't have the need to replace it with anything else. I will never understand why they NEED to ruin this. It's baffling.

The previous edge (at least the latter versions) weren't that bad. I had about the same amount of issues with safari and the edgeHTML edge, but the big difference for me was that at least I could test edge legally on a non-windows machine while I cannot for safari. I also ran into some issues of corporate policies holding back updates, which seems like a "unique" "feature" of windows.

Not being able to legally, without paying, test safari compatibility is crazy to me.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by deergomoo »

macintux wrote: post #134
behnamoh wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I typically respect Apple products, but they also shove ads in the settings app...

I have seen a reminder once about time running out to buy an AppleCare warranty, which I appreciated. What other ads have you seen in Settings?

You get offers for Apple Fitness+ when buying a new Apple Watch. At the minute they’re very much on the boundary between ads and useful reminders/offers, and are still easy to dismiss. But I worry that as services continues to become a bigger and bigger focus for Apple that they may end up just like Samsung.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by gregsadetsky »

macintux wrote: post #134
behnamoh wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I typically respect Apple products, but they also shove ads in the settings app...

I have seen a reminder once about time running out to buy an AppleCare warranty, which I appreciated. What other ads have you seen in Settings?

iCloud storage subscription when your phone is running low on space.

See this mini thread from a few days ago on the same topic -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29291166

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by [deleted] »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #133
deergomoo wrote: post #118

I cannot stand how everything with internet access is just becoming a vehicle to shove ads down everyone’s throat. This web browser wants to sell me credit deals. My expensive TV has banner ads in the menus (well, it did until I blocked about two dozen domains). An increasing amount of apps are sending “offers” I never requested via push notifications on my phone. My belongings are not a fucking corporate billboard.

Maintaining browsers has become a significant undertaking, so complex that only well-funded corporate interests can afford to keep one patched and up-to-date with the latest web standards. It surpassed operating system complexity. It surpassed pretty much everything else too. So we can forget about it ever being truly "free" (and free from ads) unless we simplify the web somehow. I also don't think we're going to go…

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Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by deergomoo »

iamstupidsimple wrote: post #135
deergomoo wrote: post #118

I cannot stand how everything with internet access is just becoming a vehicle to shove ads down everyone’s throat. This web browser wants to sell me credit deals. My expensive TV has banner ads in the menus (well, it did until I blocked about two dozen domains). An increasing amount of apps are sending “offers” I never requested via push notifications on my phone. My belongings are not a fucking corporate billboard.

But what can we do? Ads provide employment for tens of millions of people and fund literally billions of hours of content watched a year. Even if you agree most is trash, it's also allowed some really high quality stuff to flourish while being able to stay relatively independent. It's strongly tied to economic growth, and thus everybody's pensions are tied up in the success of advertising. It seems illogical it makes…

I am not against ads as a concept. If I’m getting something for free, I think it’s fair to say have a lot less say in what I see and when. What I am against is what seems to be a complete decline in any sense of taste and decency over the past 20 years, that means ads will be shoved anywhere if it can make a quick buck out of someone.

I think it’s the interjection that really rubs me the wrong way. If the shop I was purchasing from offered me credit on their website during checkout, I wouldn’t mind—I’m entering a transaction with the shop. But why is Microsoft offering me credit? This is nothing to do with them.

Same goes for the ads on smart TVs. I’ve paid Samsung money for the TV. Why are they still here?

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by hvgk »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #133
deergomoo wrote: post #118

I cannot stand how everything with internet access is just becoming a vehicle to shove ads down everyone’s throat. This web browser wants to sell me credit deals. My expensive TV has banner ads in the menus (well, it did until I blocked about two dozen domains). An increasing amount of apps are sending “offers” I never requested via push notifications on my phone. My belongings are not a fucking corporate billboard.

Maintaining browsers has become a significant undertaking, so complex that only well-funded corporate interests can afford to keep one patched and up-to-date with the latest web standards. It surpassed operating system complexity. It surpassed pretty much everything else too. So we can forget about it ever being truly "free" (and free from ads) unless we simplify the web somehow. I also don't think we're going to go…

Back to gopher. Use native compiled apps and APIs for everything else. I’m serious.

Probably shave a few gigawatts off the grid killing off electron apps.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by callamdelaney »

NGRhodes wrote: post #56

Meanwhile in the UK this week ... "The government agreed to regulate BNPL lenders after an independent review chaired by City expert Christopher Woolard, published in February, warned that the sector represented a “significant potential consumer harm”." https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/nov/23/stella-creasy-...

They should be regulated but in most cases they're just fine. The vendor gets paid straight away, minus a fee, and the customer gets to pay for their item interest free later. The issue is if they miss their payment, presumably.

The benefit to the vendor is that it increases sales / conversion rate & hence worth paying for.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Post by micromacrofoot »

iamstupidsimple wrote: post #135
deergomoo wrote: post #118

I cannot stand how everything with internet access is just becoming a vehicle to shove ads down everyone’s throat. This web browser wants to sell me credit deals. My expensive TV has banner ads in the menus (well, it did until I blocked about two dozen domains). An increasing amount of apps are sending “offers” I never requested via push notifications on my phone. My belongings are not a fucking corporate billboard.

But what can we do? Ads provide employment for tens of millions of people and fund literally billions of hours of content watched a year. Even if you agree most is trash, it's also allowed some really high quality stuff to flourish while being able to stay relatively independent. It's strongly tied to economic growth, and thus everybody's pensions are tied up in the success of advertising. It seems illogical it makes…

The answer is “literally anything else” we’ll still spend the money and use the talent, just not on ads.

I know some incredibly talented artists and writers putting all their effort into ads so they can make a living and it completely sucks.

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