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Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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>It's astounding that they would do this now, when monitor resolutions higher than 1080p are becoming increasingly common, rather than back in the Windows 98 800x600 CRT era. When you think like a developer/power user it astounding, but not when you think like some MS UX product manager who's chasing some promotion. They most likely justified to the higher-ups "Hey look, the new consumers are more accustomed to mobil…

As an industry, we should encourage power use of core products. Power use is adaptive, competent usage.

Isn't that what linux and OSS is for? That's the industry you're probably thinking about, as Microsoft, Google and Apple have the obligation to their shareholders to make money which today translates in milking the consumer by keeping them uneducated and clueless about how computers work so they can lock you into their respective ecosystems where everything is so polished and Just Works(TM), so you don't need to think about the "hows" and the "whys" and where your data is going.

"Look! we just launched our new 2022 shiny that's so much better than your old shiny. Go buy it and forget that you could still use your old shiny if we wanted to, but we don't, because that's not profitable, so instead, you'll now pay us a yearly subscription fee from now on because in a couple of years you'll get no updates for your old shiny so just chuck it into the landfill already. Also, we'll collect your data as well, but don't worry, because we care so much about privacy, it's all encrypted with military grade encryption(TM). You don't get the encryption keys though, no, no, no, that's too complicated for your poor soul to manage, we'll keep those for you, but you don't need to worry about that consumer, trust us, we got your back, our products are like a part of your family, just look at the cool marketing ads of our new shiny, everyone looks so successful and happy, and if you buy our products you'll feel the same. At least until the dopamine hit wears off."

That's part of the recipe that makes multi trillion dollar companies, not educating users. IMO, just like sex-ed, our education system should teach kids basic tech literacy in schools from a young age, so they don't put their faith and their private data in the hands of for profit companies, because they don't know any better and just trust the corporate advertising.

Also, IMO, we should regulate big-tech and targeted advertising the same way we regulated big-tobacco, otherwise, if we let everything up to "the free market", we'll get the tech equivalent of pregnant women being told smoking is good for their babies, presuming we haven't already reached that stage yet.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Microsoft finally made a browser which renders websites as expected, is up-to-date regarding security and features, and (most) people actually don't have the need to replace it with anything else. I will never understand why they NEED to ruin this. It's baffling.

Because Microsoft's raison-d'être is to extract as much money as possible from computer users. No matter how much they try to not be evil, no matter how many overtures they make to developers, it won't change the fact that Microsoft is basically just a hostile entity out there to extract as much money as possible from the computing scene.

Because in the long run you make money best by providing customers valuable services and/or products. If you're screwing over your customers in any way, that is counterproductive to that goal.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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The winning play for them is to make genuinely the best browser, gain market share, and then start their shenanigans. Like Google did

What shenanigans do you think Google is pulling? There's nothing equivalent in Chrome...

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Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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This article is click-bait bullshit. The title says "Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge browser" But the text says: "Microsoft has not responded to repeated requests for comment. Given the widespread condemnation of the feature, it may be reconsidering a full rollout – its deal with Zip permitting." There is zero substance in this article. And I say the above as a 90's Lin…

What part of 'pushes ahead' is click-bait? Microsoft announced the feature, backlash ensued, and despite the backlash there has been no intention of halting the feature. Is that not 'pushing ahead'?

“Pushing ahead” implies they said something later that ignored the backlash. Such as another announcement. If they’re thinking about what to do now, they’re not “pushing ahead”. Just reconsidering.

We won’t know what they’re actually doing until the next announcement.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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post #43

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The winning play for them is to make genuinely the best browser, gain market share, and then start their shenanigans. Like Google did

What shenanigans do you think Google is pulling? There's nothing equivalent in Chrome...

Most of Chrome’s shenanigans happen on the backend, like with Google in general.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Meanwhile in the UK this week ...

"The government agreed to regulate BNPL lenders after an independent review chaired by City expert Christopher Woolard, published in February, warned that the sector represented a “significant potential consumer harm”."

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/nov/23/stella-creasy-...

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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post #52
post #39

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Because Microsoft's raison-d'être is to extract as much money as possible from computer users. No matter how much they try to not be evil, no matter how many overtures they make to developers, it won't change the fact that Microsoft is basically just a hostile entity out there to extract as much money as possible from the computing scene.

Because in the long run you make money best by providing customers valuable services and/or products. If you're screwing over your customers in any way, that is counterproductive to that goal.

Maybe that's true, but these kind of actions are Microsoft's MO. It's how they grew, it's what they'll forever do. I almost thought they had changed when they seemingly shifted to be friendlier when they were trying to attract developers to Azure and embracing Linux and OSS, but obviously not. MS just can't not be evil. Kind of like Oracle.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Microsoft is still getting all your data.

Exactly. I don’t get how this is any better than what Google does. Google doesn’t sell your data either. They themselves consume your data, and use it to push ads in your face and track you across the web. In other words, collecting insane amounts of data is also bad. Not just the selling of it.

In fact, personally (just my opinion) I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft sold my data - extra cash for them. Google's main business is ads though - they WANT that data, and I wouldn't say they'd sell it.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What shenanigans do you think Google is pulling? There's nothing equivalent in Chrome...

Most of Chrome’s shenanigans happen on the backend, like with Google in general.

Nice non-answer.

Re: Microsoft pushes ahead with controversial ‘buy now, pay later’ feature for Edge

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MS is probably one of the best positioned to give very accurate digital credit score, given just about everything goes thru their OS and browser.

There’s tons of such companies now - basically just scraping your Uber, Postmates, etc accounts and selling that to banks so people without credit history can have a start.

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