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Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by gwright »

fault1 wrote: post #12
BitwiseFool wrote: post #8

I really want to stress that while the internet has enabled just about everyone to act as a citizen journalist, it is not the ubiquity of information that matters, but rather, the access to information. YouTube and Google wield great power when it comes to gatekeeping information. The sinister part is that plenty of people, left and right, will defend Google's ability to do this merely because they are "a private com…

Isn't this just a market opportunity for other companies? Google isn't the only company that owns the field of information retrieval. They just came the right place/right time after the .com crash.

> Isn't this just a market opportunity for other companies?

Perhaps but that doesn't preclude criticizing those editorial choices as harmful (false narratives, ideological bubbles, general free-speech principles).

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

rabuse wrote: post #116
infamouscow wrote: post #102

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The fact is most people don't want to know about things that conflict with their world view. I don't think what the media is doing is intentionally malicious, they just need to perpetuate a specific world view to keep their viewers.

This is a naive view of it, IMO. Political ideologies run rampant at large corporations nowadays, and then it trickles into the actual product/service due to management.

It's possible that some large corporations have decided that appearing to publicly support one ideology or another will be good for business. If that alienates you, you are likely not the audience they're targeting. If they're doing a bad job of that and alienating people who should be their customers, well, the market will take of that, won't it?

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Post by freejazz »

joenot443 wrote: post #91
xhevahir wrote: post #79

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It's probably worth doing more than just looking at video titles before you describe a complex topic as being "right-wing."

Hasn't stopped anyone from assuming the worst about YouTube or "the media'

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by president »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #129

Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.

It's not even just that. Earlier this year, the White House admitted it had a line to Facebook and presumably other social media companies so that it could tell it which stories to censor.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by freejazz »

remarkEon wrote: post #133
SubiculumCode wrote: post #122

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Maybe. Buts its also as likely that this is the result of an automated copyright take-down notice.

If I'm re-streaming a public access channel, say PBS, that is live-streaming a trial and I'm doing commentary on it how exactly does that trigger an automated copyright take-down notice? Am I missing something on how public events are covered under copyright law? (IANAL)

You are missing the fact that automated copyright take-down systems aren't perfect and are likely designed to learn towards taking fair things down, and not living infringing things up.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by throwawaygh »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #74
throwawaygh wrote: post #48

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You know, you could just... not use youtube. It actually isn't that hard.

If most people do watch YouTube, and YouTube censors stuff, then me not watching YouTube doesn't magically get that information to the other people

You can make the exact same criticism of OAN, Fox News, or MSNBC. At the end of the day, non-public venues are private.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by oriki »

jjoonathan wrote: post #103
oriki wrote: post #61

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This. I find that the vast majority of cases where I'd pay any attention to the dislike bar are just cases where people are getting dogpiled for whatever reason (whether they deserve it or not, or if anyone deserves to be treated like that on the internet, is another matter entirely) but I've heard reasonable arguments from people talking about tutorials and other informative videos that the like:dislike ratio is a c…

Clickbait is bad enough without removing one of the last few tools left in the arsenal to fight it.

I feel like we have different definitions as to what clickbait is - when I see a clickbait video, I can simply identify it by it's title and thumbnail, I've never needed to look at the like:dislike ratio to confirm that it's clickbait. What kind of videos do you find as clickbait?

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by freejazz »

poorjohnmacafee wrote: post #87
laurent92 wrote: post #60

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They are delusional. I confronted my father about not being in favor of basic democratic principles (67, I’m 40), he maintained he wanted freedom of speech until, after a few targetted questions from myself, he admitted to having limits to it. Same for the right to vote, which he defends fiercely, except for the people who are under influence, foreign or otherwise. Such horrible people maintain a doublespeak even in…

Well every family member and person I've ever gotten to know well enough where we talk politics, believe that the state naturally seeks to increase its power over time, so that people should be skeptical of the state. As cliche as it is to bring up, this is what the American founding fathers talked extensively about. Freedom of speech is the fundamental way that people can push back when governments do this, inevitab…

The founders also were aware that the only freedom of speech that you have is from the gov't restricting your speech.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by jturpin »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #44
inChargeOfIT wrote: post #20

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How about censoring Dislikes? This is in progress now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxOuG8jMIgI&t=1s

I really hope this comes back to bite them. I already find myself not watching as many videos simply because I can't gauge the like/dislike ratio on them. In the short term I expect an explosion in clickbait and low quality videos because people won't be able to immediately see that the video is bogus from dislike counts. I suspect people will tend to retreat into watching the channels they already like and cut down…

Yeah it occurred to me that I glance down to see the likes and dislikes to see how credible some of the how-to videos I watch are. A lot of them are garbage or dangerous and that's reflected in the dislike count. Fortunately you can scrub through maybe the top 30 comments to see if there's anything off.
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