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I really want to stress that while the internet has enabled just about everyone to act as a citizen journalist, it is not the ubiquity of information that matters, but rather, the access to information. YouTube and Google wield great power when it comes to gatekeeping information. The sinister part is that plenty of people, left and right, will defend Google's ability to do this merely because they are "a private com…

> The sinister part is that plenty of people, left and right, will defend Google's ability to do this merely because they are "a private company". People didn't merely defend Google to gatekeep information, they demanded it. A decade ago, Youtube, along with other social media companies, was happy to be pro-free speech. It's not like they have any reason to cut engagement and ad revenue. However, they after two adpoc…

There was a time when Google was happy to stay out of politics and culture wars. The had few lobbyists and donated little. They were happy building a private surveillance apparatus. But the government, mostly democrats came calling and demanded action against whatever the hysteria de jour was. It was never about policing the internet. It was always about sucking funds out of Google. Then brainwashed graduates took positions at Google and here we are. The perfect mechanism for propaganda and thought control

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#102
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> these smaller independent journalists and commenters go against the reality that media companies want you to believe you live in. For an example from this specific case, compare the actual unedited testimony of Gaige Grosskreutz, who admitted on the stand that Rittenhouse did not fire until Gaige's Glock 17 was pointed directly at Kyle's head , to the coverage of his testimony by CNN, et. al. The mainstream media l…

Yes its like they are shaping reality and attempting to cause social unrest. What the ultimate aim of such a narrative is I am unsure? Just keep people divided? Get more viewers who are "outraged"? Dystopic

The fact is most people don't want to know about things that conflict with their world view. I don't think what the media is doing is intentionally malicious, they just need to perpetuate a specific world view to keep their viewers.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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I find what you said really interesting, mainly because I don't think I've _ever_ used likes or dislikes (or their ratio) as a metric for choosing what to watch. The most I've interacted with dislikes is when seeing some helpful low-production-value video, or some artist's music stream, I've wondered why 1-3% of the viewers disliked it. I mean, even when I've found _better_ or _more informative_ videos, I've never be…

This. I find that the vast majority of cases where I'd pay any attention to the dislike bar are just cases where people are getting dogpiled for whatever reason (whether they deserve it or not, or if anyone deserves to be treated like that on the internet, is another matter entirely) but I've heard reasonable arguments from people talking about tutorials and other informative videos that the like:dislike ratio is a c…

Clickbait is bad enough without removing one of the last few tools left in the arsenal to fight it.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

#104

This is inverted moderation: they're penalizing anodyne, wonkish lawyers' podcasts, while leaving up most of the nonfactual, inflammatory ragebait. This is the exact opposite of how every platform professes to moderate. The rules-violating stuff must look very impressive for ad engagement metrics.

The political power of youtube is way more valuable than any ad stream.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

#105
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I think at this point we can just expect this stuff. The ridiculousness of it, though. The rekieta law stream (which is fantastic , btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7YXd2M5E-8 ) has anywhere from 4-12 active lawyers giving commentary and context to everything that is happening. This is exactly the type of thing we dreamed about when we were first creating the internet. However: often times these smaller independ…

> these smaller independent journalists and commenters go against the reality that media companies want you to believe you live in. For an example from this specific case, compare the actual unedited testimony of Gaige Grosskreutz, who admitted on the stand that Rittenhouse did not fire until Gaige's Glock 17 was pointed directly at Kyle's head , to the coverage of his testimony by CNN, et. al. The mainstream media l…

We live in a society whose narrative is completely and utterly controlled by megacorporations who create truths that are convenient for them, or their overall agendas, regardless of the actual truth. It's a disgusting world and it's only going to get worse. We're all pawns to these companies that are performing social engineering on scales we cannot even fully comprehend.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

#106
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YouTube is the great digital video censorship platform. My all time favorite was when they censored an academic conference on censorship. The HN discussion on it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26008217

How about censoring Dislikes? This is in progress now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxOuG8jMIgI&t=1s

That's their data that they're choosing not to disclose. That is not censorship. Analogously, if somebody asks for your name and you don't mention your middle name, that is also not censorship.

HN only shows max(upvotes-downvotes, -4) to the original commenter. Censorship?

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

#107

I think at this point we can just expect this stuff. The ridiculousness of it, though. The rekieta law stream (which is fantastic , btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7YXd2M5E-8 ) has anywhere from 4-12 active lawyers giving commentary and context to everything that is happening. This is exactly the type of thing we dreamed about when we were first creating the internet. However: often times these smaller independ…

I wonder how lying for the so-called narratives could possibly benefit these media in the long run? They don't learn history? A country that does not care about facts will eventually hurt everyone, including those righteous journalists.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Yep... even with covid, "it's just 14 days, to flatten the curve", "covid passports are just a conspiracy theory", "all vaccines are safe", "...except astrazeneca" ... "...except J&J" .... "...except moderna",.... add inflation denials, and yeah... Basically the difference between conspiracy theories and reality was ~6 months.

You do understand that COVID was new to everyone and, as such, new information has been learned as we’ve progressed through this pandemic that has caused a shift in course?

It doesn’t have to be because of a conspiracy for new information to direct in a different way. In fact, if despite new information we didn’t adjust, that’d be just plain regressive.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Yes its like they are shaping reality and attempting to cause social unrest. What the ultimate aim of such a narrative is I am unsure? Just keep people divided? Get more viewers who are "outraged"? Dystopic

They're playing to the crowd. Many people already have opinions formed when they hear the word "Rittenhouse" due to the ongoing US culture war, and media outlets don't generally like to alienate their audience.

> when they hear the word "Rittenhouse" due to the ongoing US culture war

I think that's an oversimplification. Rittenhouse's decision to show up there armed was due to the partisan division and demonization.

Rittenhouse showing up armed and killing two people is a product of the stoked polarization.

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