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The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by kevinherron »

ayushnix wrote: post #137
_qbjt wrote: post #103

I'm typing this on my Framework now and I have to say it really is a special device. The prevailing culture of treating technology as disposable is something I personally don't vibe with - I always keep all of my tech and have collected machines over the years that most people would probably consider obsolete and uninteresting (there's an Amiga 1000 and iMac G3 currently in my field of view). Having a fully open mach…

> 4. The 3:2 display is awesome for programming and content creation, and I don't know why more devices don't adopt it. The display on the FrameWork laptop needs to be scaled fractionally (about ~1.6x) which is a deal breaker for me. It would've been far better if it had resolution of 3000x2000 or 3200x1800, which would've given it a PPI of ~270 and integer scaling at 2x. Linux support for fractional scaling with mul…

Totally agree. All these reviews are conveniently ignoring this. Some of them I’ve seen even just left it at 2x scaling and did the whole video with a giant cartoonish UI that had no actual usable space.

For Linux users this display needs to be either 1500x1000 or 3000x2000.

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Post by tomnipotent »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #65
Mikeb85 wrote: post #56

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Doubt it. First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux. The Framework is niche hardware and honestly, it's doubtful non-developers would ever hear about it. Odds are it's something Linux users are seeking out.

>First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux. That's not what Framework's website is telling me. It looks like getting it with Windows costs up to $199 more

It reads mostly like a marketing decision.

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Post by kall »

Hemospectrum wrote: post #123
kall wrote: post #7

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That would be very interesting. Maybe I could finally fulfill my dream of a portable system that can raise the display to eye level while keeping the keyboard at an ergonomic level. I‘m surprised no one else seems to want this. Imagine if you could clip your screen onto the headrest in front of you. Wouldn‘t that be a huge improvement?

For a few years now I’ve wished for this kind of thing. After I sketched out a couple of concepts, the approach that looked most viable was to build a folding keyboard case where the lid opens up into a tablet stand. This hugely reduces the scope of the design problem, because PCB mounting holes for mechanical 60% keyboards are more or less standardized, and tablets are obviously commodities. Even so, this is easier…

I‘ve been thinking about it more from a "what I wish one of the 20 OEMs building crazy windows convertibles should build" than a " what can I DIY“ angle. Here‘s what I would want:

Computer is maybe the size of new 16" MBP (large but reasonable). All the components in the base, the screen is thin and light. Instead of a flimsy ribbon cable the screen is connected with a removable flat cable that has an auto roll-up mechanism like a tape measure. Screen is held to the base with some "simple“ protruding hinges that it just can slot in and out of without crazy tech (because the hinges are a not super small). The screen has a magnetic back and there would be a couple of different mounting accessories:

- magnet to VESA, so you can easily plop it into a nice stand on your desk and really utilize it in a multi-monitor setup

- an "external“ raising arm that slides a plate under your base and is secured by it‘s weight (maybe clips in) then raises it up a little and holds it by magnets

- suction cups

- gorilla pod type mount and/or clamps

- … whatever else like tripod and mic stand adapters

This hodge-podge idea is probably not realistic for a commercial product but we can dream. My planned solution is M1 13" macbook air + portable USB-C screen and macgyvering it with a gorilla pod or suction cups. Unfortunately I am kind of married to macOS right now and that doesn‘t have tablet options.

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Post by [deleted] »

fsflover wrote: post #86
unethical_ban wrote: post #83

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Without knowing or caring about ME or PSP, perhaps they mean the behavior of AMD the company vs. Intel the company. I am an AMD man as often as possible for this reason.

> perhaps they mean the behavior of AMD the company vs. Intel the company In short: "There is a computer inside your computer. And it can computer while you computer" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine

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Post by breakingcups »

skinkestek wrote: post #97
maltalex wrote: post #53

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Those are the exact pirated copies I was referring to. Or do you really believe that a copy that costs 3 euro can be legit ?

I bought Pro at around $45 and activated through Microsofts own activation service so while $3 sounds unreasonably low, unless Microsoft has started activating unlicensed keys it is possible to get actual legal keys at a fraction of the list price.

These are likely licenses given to Microsoft Partners which are only to be used for developing/testing software. They activate identically to regular keys and there is no indication once activated that that's the only licensed purpose of that key.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by breakingcups »

aidenn0 wrote: post #109

The Framework Laptop is literally the first time ever I've seen a laptop and wished I was at the point in my upgrade-cycle to get a new laptop. Right now I have 2-3 more years of use out of my current laptop before I upgrade though.

I'm kind of in the exact opposite boat. I've waited for a while to buy one because this laptop is coming, but I still can't buy it in Europe!

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by breakingcups »

nrp wrote: post #17
atemerev wrote: post #6

“We only deliver to the US and Canada”. OK, will have to stay with my Macbook.

We’re actively building the infrastructure to launch in additional countries. It’s a challenging logistical environment at the moment, but we very much built and certified the product to be broadly available, and we are reminded of the interest in that daily!

I'm already happy that you're participating in this thread, so don't let my question pin you down too much, but are you able to give some indication of when you might be able to share news like a provisional timeline?

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Post by mdp2021 »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #124
mdp2021 wrote: post #4

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And one of the pictures from Larabel (third in first page, https://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=framework-laptop&image... ) does not seem to show a matte display, though I am not sure... Edit: confirmed glossy on other reviews.

I asked this question to Nirav, one of the founders in a previous HN thread about the laptop. He clarified that there is currently no matte option with no plans for display options. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27948272 Perhaps if they realise there is a market that direction can be changed? (One can hope)

Considering that some will simply refuse to work on a glossy display (and I guess such "some" largely overlaps with their intended potential market), and that the whole purpose of the product is modularity, they will have to realize that they currently are losing an important slice of market - they are severely slashing their base.

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Post by mdp2021 »

xanaxagoras wrote: post #48
Causality1 wrote: post #41

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I just don't understand how everyone but me seems to just be okay with not knowing where left click stops and right click starts. They're just fine with having the pointer jiggle around whenever they click because their thumb doesn't stay perfectly centered while pressing down. How do people live like this?

it's not hard, here's how i do it on a laptop w/gnome: left click -> entire trackpad right click -> 2 fingers entire trackpad or control + entire trackpad

Try the "two fingers for right" with the [Alt] modifier to resize a window... Mine will simulate the mouse wheel instead.

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Post by officeplant »

mbilker wrote: post #84
vasili111 wrote: post #71

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Could you please provide information we're I can get that free of Windows?

The "cosmetic restrictions" are the "Activate Windows" watermark and the inability to change any setting under Personalization in Settings.

The best part being if you don't allow it to get online during the initial setup you can go change all the personalization settings. It will only lock you out once you get online and it verifies its not activated. I can deal with just having that watermark when I only boot into win10 for a few specific programs.
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