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Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by swayvil »

inopinatus wrote: post #94
endisneigh wrote: post #14

People need to learn to start forming their own opinions and not being so easily influenced by who said what and thinking about the what itself. Lately I've been wondering if maybe people evolved to be sensitive to the who to make it easier for us to be controlled. Said control can be useful at times.

Having to form an opinion about every damn thing that matters is a) exhausting and b) hubris. It is not possible to be an expert on everything. The best personal outcome doesn't come from making your own assessment of everything from toothpaste to nuclear power. It's when you learn to recognise the difference between someone's reasoned expertise and, well, just about everyone else pushing their viewpoint. The top cur…

Consider the quality of ones understanding.

To look at a thing, to think about what you see (or not). That's one way.

To consume words, interpret them, to create a metaphorical story. That's another.

That's a big difference. Fire vs fireflies.

It isn't a matter of truthiness but of substance.

The difference between menu and lunch. If the question is what to order, what course of action to take, maybe it doesn't matter so much. But for understanding it matters a whole bunch.

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by hellotomyrars »

GhettoComputers wrote: post #124
hellotomyrars wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too bad everyone else living the way they did who died of Covid didn’t live Joe Rogan’s reality and ended up a statistic instead. I don’t even know what you’re trying to get at here. He can’t be judged because he seems to be consistent in his actions? That doesn’t make them inherently valid.

His recovery method give him credibility, unless you think most unvaccinated people recover in 3 days and nothing he did helped his recovery. Mainstream news say nothing he used including ivermectin works while anyone with a brain will look at the results of his recovery and say the mainstream news has no relevance, its like seeing 1+5=6 then some overpaid group of talking heads in makeup and dressed to present rando…

I'd like to believe that "anyone with a brain" won't take one anecdote as gospel and base everything on it and throw out all the other data.

Even if Ivermectin is some Covid miracle treatment (It isn't), Joe Rogan's experience isn't typical or expected and it doesn't mean that pumping Vitamin D and Ivermectin will yield similar results for you or anyone else. Additionally, the Ivermectin narrative (I'll leave the question of if it has any benefit open for the sake of argument) is one that positions it as an alternative for vaccinations which is inherently dangerous.

Also we have actual treatments (Remdesivir, Monoclonal antibodies) that have documented clinical results for active infections, we don't need to gamble on bullshit.

To add one other thing, because I think we can get on the same page about this probably: Just because someone says something and they're in authority/credentialled doesn't mean you should believe them unconditionally. It is important to have a healthy skepticism of information, regardless of its source. But the outright rejection of any "authoritative" information and latching on to whatever counter-narrative (read: misinformation) that happens to be popular is just as naive and stupid, but it seems like that's where we're at these days.

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by yesenadam »

user743 wrote: post #129
yesenadam wrote: post #109

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From that instagram page, apparently Rogan's words: > Not only has Australia had the worst reaction to the pandemic with dystopian, police-state measures that are truly inconceivable to the rest of the civilized world Ohh - is he where that insane-seeming take comes from, that I've read more than a few times in HN comments over the last few months?! They sure are projecting something , apart from intense anger/rage.…

So what's the truth on the ground then on government control rn?

I don't really understand what you are asking exactly. It sounds like a question someone would ask about a war zone. The whole thing seems totally imagined to me, maybe fed by denial about the quality of the US response to covid.

Trying to guess what that apparent US hysteria about Australia is based on — maybe it's because we had longer lockdowns/restrictions than most places, I think because there was hardly any covid cases here until the last few months (although Melbourne had an outburst a while ago), so not many people bothered about getting vaccinated. In the last few months a lot of people have gotten vaccinated, the large majority of Australians I think, so restrictions are being phased out. Personally, I've not heard anyone here objecting to the restrictions/lockdowns, but rather to what seem unfair exceptions or people acting irresponsibly, like live music venues being closed while some large sporting events are allowed, or people gathering in large parties when they know it's a bad idea. I don't think there's much of a story, and overseas stories presenting the situation/covid response in Australia as outrageous! unbelievable! inconceivable! etc seem totally detached from reality.

(The most outrageous true Australian story I've heard this year was that Australia is soon going to get nuclear-powered submarines because the US wants us to, I guess because of their current posturing against China, although for 50 years we've had a strong policy of not having nuclear-powered ships, or nuclear-powered anything. Everyone I mentioned it to thought it was totally outrageous too. I guess not many people in the US are worked up about that.)

edit: I looked up some figures. In June, 2% of Australians were fully vaccinated, now 64%, and at least one dose 75%, and increasing fast. 20% of Australians became fully vaccinated in the last month alone. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=AUS

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by hammock »

GhettoComputers wrote: post #111
hammock wrote: post #106

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>Having to form an opinion about every damn thing that matters is a) exhausting and b) hubris. It is not possible to be an expert on everything. That's a cynical take, and it illuminates the importance of good education, so that "hubris" as you put it is minimized and right judgment is maximized. Even more important when most children's education is more and more geared away from critical thinking, and instead toward…

Someone stated everyone in the US has an opinion. He wrote a book that sold well and was carrying copies to the US, the worker there took a look at his cargo and exclaimed "nobody will buy it". Do we really need opinions on everything?

Forming your own opinion and sharing it are two completely different things.

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by GhettoComputers »

hellotomyrars wrote: post #142
GhettoComputers wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His recovery method give him credibility, unless you think most unvaccinated people recover in 3 days and nothing he did helped his recovery. Mainstream news say nothing he used including ivermectin works while anyone with a brain will look at the results of his recovery and say the mainstream news has no relevance, its like seeing 1+5=6 then some overpaid group of talking heads in makeup and dressed to present rando…

I'd like to believe that "anyone with a brain" won't take one anecdote as gospel and base everything on it and throw out all the other data. Even if Ivermectin is some Covid miracle treatment (It isn't), Joe Rogan's experience isn't typical or expected and it doesn't mean that pumping Vitamin D and Ivermectin will yield similar results for you or anyone else. Additionally, the Ivermectin narrative (I'll leave the que…

He used monoclonal antibodies too. I am not stating Ivermectin is all that helped (I am not sure its that useful personally, I think its probably his healthy lifestyle, steroids, the non missing nutrients and minerals that helped him as well as monoclonal antibodies he used), his "conspiracy theory" treatment had a 3 day recovery, yet hes dismissed because some talking heads online were paid to hes wrong about everything despite his quick recovery.

I think I would disagree about the last part. I think whatever the CDC announces I think the opposite since they have been wrong about everything. I am glad I ignored Faucci about masks at the beginning, or how it wasn't contagious or whatever else they told the public. Public trust is at an all time low, and they will need to earn my trust again, and so far there isn't any reason to believe these so called experts who are more intent on silencing disagreement than giving useful content. I have to read papers on my own since the talking heads and publicists often make misleading/false statements based on snipped quotes so I won't listen to any statements they make and just read papers on my own, authority exists, but its not some political talking head, its the scientists who publish their findings and have their papers turned into propaganda by people who unfortunately use them for political reasons.

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by chillacy »

endisneigh wrote: post #14

People need to learn to start forming their own opinions and not being so easily influenced by who said what and thinking about the what itself. Lately I've been wondering if maybe people evolved to be sensitive to the who to make it easier for us to be controlled. Said control can be useful at times.

Abstract belief formation is a topic of study. The gist is: first we hear something, then we assume it's true, then we maybe vet it later. Multiple experiments seem to imply that the default state is believing.

https://www.fastcompany.com/40528587/why-your-brain-clings-t...

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by edgyquant »

GhettoComputers wrote: post #137
edgyquant wrote: post #127

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He has people from all angles, but most of them are right wingers. He brings on a Liberal every now and then and if they don’t hate the Democratic Party he hardly lets them talk and uses the typical right wing gish gallop tactic to pretend he’s owned them at the end of the podcast. Rogan does a stellar job, lmao @ that. He does a stellar job pushing the current GOPs agenda. Because he’s able to have people like you a…

You don’t sound like you listen to him, your post indicates you don’t listen to him and are just repeating what an uninformed critic smears him with.

Bullshit I listened to Joe religiously until 2018, like every day he put out a podcast. I realized around that time that he was beating a strawman about “crazy” democrats while promoting a trove of right wingers and disinformation. He couldn’t go an episode without bringing up how some tumbler person thinks there’s (n+1) genders and when he did bring on a “democrat” it was someone like Abby Martin or Tulsi Gabbard who hates the Democratic Party. With this, combined with the cringe ass “intellectual dark web” bs, it became increasingly obvious that Joe Rogan wasn’t some moderate but instead that he was pretending to be one while pushing a right wing narrative to his viewers under the guise of “just asking questions” and “how do I know I disagree until I talked to them?”

Your accusation is typical of Rogan fans who want to shutdown any criticism of his very obvious grifter status.

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by GhettoComputers »

edgyquant wrote: post #148
GhettoComputers wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t sound like you listen to him, your post indicates you don’t listen to him and are just repeating what an uninformed critic smears him with.

Bullshit I listened to Joe religiously until 2018, like every day he put out a podcast. I realized around that time that he was beating a strawman about “crazy” democrats while promoting a trove of right wingers and disinformation. He couldn’t go an episode without bringing up how some tumbler person thinks there’s (n+1) genders and when he did bring on a “democrat” it was someone like Abby Martin or Tulsi Gabbard wh…

Yet you state he's got a "GOP agenda"? I don't believe you at all. Hes already contracted by Spotify, what you're spewing is more generic anti-Joe smearing that shows me that you never listened to him.

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by edgyquant »

GhettoComputers wrote: post #149
edgyquant wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bullshit I listened to Joe religiously until 2018, like every day he put out a podcast. I realized around that time that he was beating a strawman about “crazy” democrats while promoting a trove of right wingers and disinformation. He couldn’t go an episode without bringing up how some tumbler person thinks there’s (n+1) genders and when he did bring on a “democrat” it was someone like Abby Martin or Tulsi Gabbard wh…

Yet you state he's got a "GOP agenda"? I don't believe you at all. Hes already contracted by Spotify, what you're spewing is more generic anti-Joe smearing that shows me that you never listened to him.

Yeah okay. Your Dave Chappelle comment proves you are arguing in bad faith.

You know I’m right and that he’s a right wing grifter posing as a moderate, that’s why you’re strawmanning about me not “actually have ever listened to him.” I saw through him just as I easily see through you, I’m just upset it took me four years of listening to him everyday before it became obvious.

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