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Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by lonk11 »

sossles wrote: post #87

This is an inevitable side effect of people's tendencies to over-subscribe to information sources. Once it's normal to try and follow 200+ people on Twitter, you're in need of an algorithm to prioritise content, and from there it's an easy side-step to inserting other content you haven't asked for. Unfortunately even when you don't follow 200 people on Twitter, you're still subject to the same design principles.

Manual subscription management is a problem. The current choices are: you either have to manually control everything or surrender control to an opaque algorithm.

I am building https://linklonk.com to explore a middle ground - you upvote/downvote content as a way to tell a transparent algorithm who you want to get more/less content from.

When you upvote a post/link, LinkLonk connects you stronger to other users that upvoted it and prioritizes other content they upvoted for you.

When you downvote something - your connections to those who upvoted that become weaker, and their other upvotes don't have much weight for you.

This makes it much more scalable - the algorithm keeps track of your connections to everyone else. You could be connected to hundreds of users and RSS feeds on LinkLonk, without having to explicitly subscribe to them. But you still have control - you express it every time when you decide whether to upvote or downvote the content you just read (or do nothing).

You end up connected the strongest to sources that have the highest signal-to-noise ratio for you. You see content from those who have proven to be good curators of content, which I think is a good feedback loop.

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by GhettoComputers »

robflynn wrote: post #117
GhettoComputers wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What bullshit and lies are you referring to? If you don’t like his podcast don’t listen to it, others love it. If you only want approved mainstream views it’s strange to impose them on a podcast for someone who believes in aliens, you can watch mainstream news for that.

I'm not speaking about Rogan or anyone in particular. I'm only commenting on "vetting" not meaning "I only want to hear what I want to hear."

Vetted by whom?

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by hellotomyrars »

GhettoComputers wrote: post #105
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of Rogan's schtick is conspiracy theories. There's a lot of "just asking questions" style conversations where he tries to build up this idea that the "officially approved" narrative has a lot of holes, which he often uses to insert an alternate opinion that isn't subject to the same scrutiny. His anti-vaccine content is a perfect example: He invites actual experts on his show, but then interrupts them and brings…

People don’t think statistically. He’s asking questions about covid and how anecdotes relate like normal people. You state he’s a conspiracy theorist but the result of him being cured of covid in a few days isn’t evidence enough for you that bis bro science isn’t wrong? You can argue theory all day but he lives the way he preaches, the reality of his actions isn’t enough?

Too bad everyone else living the way they did who died of Covid didn’t live Joe Rogan’s reality and ended up a statistic instead.

I don’t even know what you’re trying to get at here. He can’t be judged because he seems to be consistent in his actions? That doesn’t make them inherently valid.

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by GhettoComputers »

hellotomyrars wrote: post #123
GhettoComputers wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People don’t think statistically. He’s asking questions about covid and how anecdotes relate like normal people. You state he’s a conspiracy theorist but the result of him being cured of covid in a few days isn’t evidence enough for you that bis bro science isn’t wrong? You can argue theory all day but he lives the way he preaches, the reality of his actions isn’t enough?

Too bad everyone else living the way they did who died of Covid didn’t live Joe Rogan’s reality and ended up a statistic instead. I don’t even know what you’re trying to get at here. He can’t be judged because he seems to be consistent in his actions? That doesn’t make them inherently valid.

His recovery method give him credibility, unless you think most unvaccinated people recover in 3 days and nothing he did helped his recovery. Mainstream news say nothing he used including ivermectin works while anyone with a brain will look at the results of his recovery and say the mainstream news has no relevance, its like seeing 1+5=6 then some overpaid group of talking heads in makeup and dressed to present random factoids they don't care about or have any interest in are paid to say its not right, and they state the math is wrong. They are deluded if they think they have any credibility left vs real results. Why are the people denying it valid by that standard?

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by robflynn »

refurb wrote: post #71
robflynn wrote: post #56

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It feels like you're twisting words here. Wanting things to be vetted is not the same thing as saying "everyone has to agree with me." There's a difference between taking a differing opinion and just spouting outright bullshit and lies. Maybe there was some implied sarcasm I missed.

How could that possibly work for a podcast? Interview each guest and basically script out the conversation? Or maybe do the interview then heavily edited it? And who decides what’s appropriately “vetted”? I assume the Covid “lab leak” theory would have been verboten last year but apparently ok now? I haven’t listened to Rogan in a long time but he basically invites people on and asks questions. He doesn’t give the “R…

Those are all good questions that I don't have the answer to.

I know I didn't make the original claim, I just took issue with the initial reply as I felt like it was removing nuance from the discussion. My reply didn't really add much and I probably shouldn't have made it, so I'll try to add something to the discussion below:

For me, I think, it comes down to whether or not something is presented as an opinion or as fact/truth. There's far too many opinion pieces presented as news these days and a lot of people have trouble processing that.

A headline or claim like "China manufactured this virus as a bio weapon to attack the united states!" at the beginning of a pandemic when no one has any information yet is bad.

Discussing whether or not it could have been a lab leak and whether or not it was manufactured is a different thing, and whether it was or was not an attack are acceptable topics, though, I think.

How you actually enforce this I have no idea and I know it's easy to go down the rabbit hole of "who watches the watchers."

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by edgyquant »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #73
refurb wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terrible! I want any podcast host to carefully vet any information on their show so I only hear ApproveIdeas(tm) as it’s clear I might get DangerousIdeas(tm) should I hear information not officially approved.

Part of Rogan's schtick is conspiracy theories. There's a lot of "just asking questions" style conversations where he tries to build up this idea that the "officially approved" narrative has a lot of holes, which he often uses to insert an alternate opinion that isn't subject to the same scrutiny. His anti-vaccine content is a perfect example: He invites actual experts on his show, but then interrupts them and brings…

It’s not just vaccines or conspiracy theories, the dude has been walking the conservative line and spreading their rhetoric since at least 2015. He brings on “democrats” who hate the Democratic Party (e.g. Tulsi Gabbard, the Weinstein brothers) and pretends supporting UBI means he isn’t a conservative. All the while constantly bringing on right wing guests (the ratio of right wingers to people like Bernie Sanders I at least 4:1.)

He has constantly pushed the idea that transgenderism is taking over and brought people like Jordan Peterson to argue against it. everything from making fun of the number of genders (something I only ever hear conservatives talk about) to the big bathroom discussion that was had in 2015.

I don’t know if he’s paid by some right wing organization to push this narrative, I don’t necessarily think so, but I don’t like how he is painted as some centrist or moderate when he very clearly has an agenda and it lies to the right of center.

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by edgyquant »

sjwalter wrote: post #104
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of Rogan's schtick is conspiracy theories. There's a lot of "just asking questions" style conversations where he tries to build up this idea that the "officially approved" narrative has a lot of holes, which he often uses to insert an alternate opinion that isn't subject to the same scrutiny. His anti-vaccine content is a perfect example: He invites actual experts on his show, but then interrupts them and brings…

Considering the quality of the information and presentation in the corporate press is so terrible, in comparison Rogan does a stellar job. I disagree with your characterization, too. He has on people from all angles, including e.g, Dr. Sanjay Gupta from CNN, and he gives them a fair shake. And yes, considering how "rare" vaccine adverse reactions are supposed to be, knowing multiple people who've experienced signific…

He has people from all angles, but most of them are right wingers. He brings on a Liberal every now and then and if they don’t hate the Democratic Party he hardly lets them talk and uses the typical right wing gish gallop tactic to pretend he’s owned them at the end of the podcast.

Rogan does a stellar job, lmao @ that. He does a stellar job pushing the current GOPs agenda. Because he’s able to have people like you arguing that isn’t what he’s doing.

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by user743 »

yesenadam wrote: post #109
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #80

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> to get all sorts of guests on with all sorts of perspectives - then he just shuts up and listens and asks questions Hard disagree. That may have been the case when he started the podcast but it's famously not the case now. Even the Joe Rogan fans are upset about Rogan talking over experts and forcing his own biased opinions over the evidence: https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/pg3edl/im_not_gon... For a mor…

From that instagram page, apparently Rogan's words: > Not only has Australia had the worst reaction to the pandemic with dystopian, police-state measures that are truly inconceivable to the rest of the civilized world Ohh - is he where that insane-seeming take comes from, that I've read more than a few times in HN comments over the last few months?! They sure are projecting something , apart from intense anger/rage.…

So what's the truth on the ground then on government control rn?

Re: Stop spending so much time being trolled by billionaire corps

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Post by GhettoComputers »

sossles wrote: post #87

This is an inevitable side effect of people's tendencies to over-subscribe to information sources. Once it's normal to try and follow 200+ people on Twitter, you're in need of an algorithm to prioritise content, and from there it's an easy side-step to inserting other content you haven't asked for. Unfortunately even when you don't follow 200 people on Twitter, you're still subject to the same design principles.

You can do lists or read twitter as an RSS. I simply don't use twitter much since its mostly garbage. I won't be subject to fix social media, if it is a burden to use its not going to be used. Don't miss the headache of organizing quailty for my feeds when its more work to make it enjoyable for a few minutes.
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