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Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by gambiting »

foxhop wrote: post #110

We will create many Distributed Permacomputers which will be long lasting, durable, with the right to repair and a right to free speech without being deplatformed. Rusulting Code will be public domain and easy to setup. It was never about the code, it was always about the data. To learn more or help, Please visit: https://www.unturf.com and https://youtu.be/BgBrSLUgLH4 We reject political deplatforming. We favor righ…

Also, following the very link from the website you sent, there is (I assume your) comment from 269 days ago that says this:

"I will have to deplatform any site which does not follow the terms of service."

That's a pretty nice double standard you have there, complaining about deplatforming on an article about someone breaking terms of service.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by Miner49er »

usui wrote: post #4

Does a history of enforcement help in cases like this? The article itself says that Truth Social is "antithetical" to Mastodon's values, but that there's nothing they can do about the usage of their software other than license violations. It sounds like they have a bias to enforce their license in this case. If Mastodon has a weak history of enforcing their license to other organizations, does it weaken the case? I'm…

I'm not sure they have a weak history, though. They enforced their license just as aggressively against Gab.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by nkozyra »

refurb wrote: post #111
nkozyra wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But for all that superficial posturing, he accomplished very little of his agenda and generally ended up trying to play ball anyway. The anti-establishment game lasted until he entered the white House. His primary accomplishment was building a base of angry people.

Strongly disagree. You have to remember democratic politics is about turning a massive ship in a new direction. Unless you’re willing to start shooting people democracy moves in increments. I would say the US drastically changed a few ways: 1) the public’s perception of the media [Trump’s antagonism exposed just how partisan it is across the board], 2) the US strategy with regards to China [Biden seems to be quietly…

> I would say the US drastically changed a few ways: 1) the public’s perception of the media, 2) the US strategy with regards to China, 3) a significant adjustment of tax strategy and offshoring of profits, 4) healthcare regulations.

These are ephemeral changes, the type that flap back and forth frequently with presidential changes.

That's why things like ACA are far more monumental - they're codified, much harder to undo.

Trust in media has been in steady decline for decades now.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by EGreg »

s7r wrote: post #121

In terms of "antithetical values", the machine learning project ml5js.org actually did something about this. They bound their open-source license to a Code of Conduct¹, which forbids the use of their ML software for (1) discriminating against marginalized communities, (2) building tools that disingenuously manipulate public opinion, (3) building tools of mass surveillance and prediction to repress the rights of peopl…

Reminds me of the dispute between Douglas Crockford (the inventor of JSON and writer of JSON2 parser) and the open source movement…

The parser had a cheeky requirement that made it incompatible with various software licenses:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3693108

Also the same Douglas Crockford on refusing to change JSONLint 2’s strictness:

https://twitter.com/martinkl/status/43086204350119936?s=21

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by gambiting »

foxhop wrote: post #138
gambiting wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A permacomputer exists only as long as there are people hosting it. Bittorent files are famously impossible to take down....only as long as there are any seeders remaining. You don't need to shut down the entire internet to stop a distributed system from working.

How to stop Bittorrent without stopping the Internet?

Bittorent is a protocol, that's like asking how do you stop the English language or poetry or musical notation - it doesn't even make sense in context. You can absolutely stop individual people participating in the network however and stop them from hosting or make it difficult for them. Just like with bittorent, it can be more or less difficult depending on the infringement, but again, if the software you host is breaking the licence then I'd hope enforcement would be effective against you.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by geewee »

roenxi wrote: post #134
s7r wrote: post #121

In terms of "antithetical values", the machine learning project ml5js.org actually did something about this. They bound their open-source license to a Code of Conduct¹, which forbids the use of their ML software for (1) discriminating against marginalized communities, (2) building tools that disingenuously manipulate public opinion, (3) building tools of mass surveillance and prediction to repress the rights of peopl…

If all software was licensed that way, 5-15 years would pass then suddenly there'd be a whole bunch of "Wow, Stallman was right again! We should have been using free software licenses!" style articles. Restricting software use to only people approved by the creators is a terrible idea. Society has to operate with some level of trust that even people we disagree with, using methods we don't approve of, have the potent…

Why? In what world does using software to marginalize people or mislead the public create a better world?

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by jokethrowaway »

nkozyra wrote: post #54
Consultant32452 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you. The following is my opinion of what happened, not an endorsement. Trump's role in our history was primarily a f-you to the established players in both parties. He won because he made all the right people mad. And the more his enemies drastically over-react the more powerful he becomes.

But for all that superficial posturing, he accomplished very little of his agenda and generally ended up trying to play ball anyway. The anti-establishment game lasted until he entered the white House. His primary accomplishment was building a base of angry people.

He was an ok president, despite what the media say.

He didn't wreck the economy like democrats do, but he didn't cut spending which is the only sane thing to do.

We needed a Ron Paul, not Trump. Unfortunately governments are a reflection of people and most people are pissed at the government. Trump didn't create angry people, he channeled the anti establishment sentiment like Berlusconi did 30 years ago in Italy. Most likely, once they became the establishment the found out the system is engineered to be impossible to dismantle from the inside.

The only way out of this increasingly huge government is collapse.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by jimktrains2 »

krapp wrote: post #44
pibechorro wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the person who was the sitting president of the united states, who got deplatformed in unison by big tech social media, and is now fighting against censorship by using tech? Yeah, that is not relevant at all to hackernews /s

I like how everyone always says "sitting President of the united states" when they mention Trump's deplatforming, as if to imply that being a sitting President gives Trump greater legal right to a social media account, or that deplatforming Trump was in some way an coup or overthrow of Trump's position as President, thus reinforcing the narrative of social media being an organized supranational conspiracy that poses…

As much as I dislike Trump, deplatforming is much more notable while he was in office than if it had happened afterwards.

I agree, though, that it does sometimes sound like it's being hinted that something more nefarious was happening when people talk about it like this.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by rrss »

s7r wrote: post #121

In terms of "antithetical values", the machine learning project ml5js.org actually did something about this. They bound their open-source license to a Code of Conduct¹, which forbids the use of their ML software for (1) discriminating against marginalized communities, (2) building tools that disingenuously manipulate public opinion, (3) building tools of mass surveillance and prediction to repress the rights of peopl…

Sure, interesting idea, but this is not open source as it is widely understood or as it is defined by OSI.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by api »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #147
nkozyra wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But for all that superficial posturing, he accomplished very little of his agenda and generally ended up trying to play ball anyway. The anti-establishment game lasted until he entered the white House. His primary accomplishment was building a base of angry people.

He was an ok president, despite what the media say. He didn't wreck the economy like democrats do, but he didn't cut spending which is the only sane thing to do. We needed a Ron Paul, not Trump. Unfortunately governments are a reflection of people and most people are pissed at the government. Trump didn't create angry people, he channeled the anti establishment sentiment like Berlusconi did 30 years ago in Italy. Mos…

Democrats effect on the economy is mixed just like Republicans, and the truth is that the president does not actually control very much when it comes to what markets are doing. If the economy is good they take credit for it and if the economy is bad they blame the last president if they were of a different party.

Government tends to grow under every administration because that's what all the incentives inside government encourage. You get what you incentivize.

Libertarianism is a political loser because a libertarian political platform would ultimately be about making politics and thus politicians less important. No career politician is going to really do that, and you can't get to high office without making it a career unless you're a fluke like Trump. I think a lot of people supported him for that reason, but unfortunately he was the wrong kind of fluke.

BTW the worst president of the last 100 years was not Trump. It was George W Bush for the Iraq war alone. Trump was obnoxious and might have been dangerous if he had more actual power, but he did not do anything to even approach the damage Bush did with that decision. I also doubt there would have been a President Trump had Bush not burned the US' reputation to the ground.

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