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California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

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Re: California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

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There aren't any self propelled walk behind electric mowers that can handle non-flat ground.

Is that a large market segment?

Everyone who can't justify an electric riding mower or doesn't have a place to charge it. I'm guessing you've never had to maneuver an umpowered push mower on slopes.

Re: California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

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I had an electric lawn mower it was great compared to gas mainly due to it being so quiet. Charging wasn't too bad at first one battery for the front yard and one for the back. But then one battery would not charge as much or run for as long as when new. The store had moved on to new models so I couldnt buy a battery in store. Even if I could it was expensive $100, the mower cost $250. Online even the manufacturer se…

You've expressed all my concerns nicely.

I wish they'd have mandatory battery shapes and standards. I think that would go a long way towards preventing death-by-unsupported-batteries.

Re: California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

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They can still use a leaf blower but in the future it must be electric powered instead of gasoline.

Currently they bring their own fuel to worksites. What happens when there's no outlet for them to plug into? There are large numbers of landscaping scenarios where this will be the case. Do they bring a diesel generator? All of my yard tools, including my lawnmower, are electric. For reasons of both cost and power, I went with corded rather than battery powered. Battery tech is constantly improving and maybe at some…

The Ford F-150 aims to solve that problem (and I guess other EVs will have / has similar capabilities).

> With an electric motor mounted on each of its axles, the vehicle will offer more torque — in effect, faster acceleration — than any previous F-150 and will be capable of towing up to 10,000 pounds. Its battery pack can power a home for about three days during an outage, according to Ford. For contractors and other commercial truck users, the Lightning will be able to power electric saws, tools and lighting, potentially replacing or reducing the need for generators at work sites. It has up to 11 power outlets.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/19/business/ford-electric-ve...

Re: California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

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I didn't claim it's happening now. The state legislature of California did: " The Legislature finds and declares all of the following ..." I don't know for sure that the legislators who drafted this law verified that the predictions from several years ago have held up based on newer data, but it's really not much of a stretch think that they actually did check with the experts. As for airplanes, power plants and othe…

Ah, I see that you responded with a source on behalf of the person making the claim. Although my sentiment still stands - the source doesn't support the claim. "So those sources are cleaner per gallon of fuel than a gas-powered leaf blower, and they don't exhaust quite as close to living, breathing people." Per gallon. Lawn equipment is is a tiny fraction compared to these others. Airports tend to be in cities, power…

> Although my sentiment still stands - the source doesn't support the claim.

It does. If you don't believe the source, then take that up with CARB. But don't act like information provided by a government regulator is hearsay.

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> No reason they can't put catalytic converters on. The cost of the catalytic converter itself, plus the advanced ECU necessary to make it work properly would make gas-powered lawn mowers more expensive than an electric plus a pile of spare batteries. > If we really want to be green, then why not require reel mowers? Grow up.

"Grow up." Responses like this violate the rules for the site and undermine HN as a place of discussion. I would love to hear a real argument. "The cost of the catalytic converter itself, plus the advanced ECU necessary to make it work properly would make gas-powered lawn mowers more expensive than an electric plus a pile of spare batteries." The ECU is a joke, and not a necessary part of using a catalytic converter.…

> Responses like this violate the rules for the site and undermine HN as a place of discussion. I would love to hear a real argument.

You don't deserve a real argument. "Why not require reel mowers?" isn't a serious question. Figuring out an answer takes only a few moments of thought, or reading the first section of the law in question, wherein the legislature lays out the rationale and justification for the regulation. (The whole law is just over 600 words, so reading it is quick and easy.) The question is just a cheap rhetorical trick.

If you actually have trouble coming up with an answer to that question, or if you think banning all forms of powered mowers would actually be a sensible public policy, then you're welcome to share your thoughts on the matter in more detail. Until then, there's no reason for anyone to take such a silly and provocative question at face value.

Re: California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

#146

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The article mentions that the restrictions for generators aren't planned to take effect until much later (2028), and that can be postponed by CARB. Also, it's only for portable generators. If you're relying on generator power multiple times per year, it probably makes sense to get one permanently installed.

Most people use portable generators to avoid the high cost of permanent ones.

I was going to say this. Many of the people up here don't have an energy demand high enough to warrant a full scale generator.

The portable generator my parents have has hookups to connect it to the main breaker panel of your house. The only thing it lacks is autostart on power failure.

Re: California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

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Totally second this but on a different ground. It's simply the noise it makes. Many people have been left trapped at home, working remotely as a result of Covid. A noisy machine, such as a gas-powered leaf blower, can disrupt a peaceful neighborhood day. Imagine your neighbor to your left mowing the lawn at 8 a.m., then neighbor to your right at 9 a.m., then another cross the street started at 10 a.m., and on and on.…

> in dire need of much quieter neighborhood leaf blower

It's called a broom.

In general, to the other contributions which could have been sarcastic: noise is harmful. Many people do not even perceive it, but that is because numbness has become a value (though perception is) - and numbness will reveal its non-efficacy as an armour the moment one's nerves will be worn out enough. I will repeat: noise is something some people sneer at - until they break. So, there has to be a proportionate justification to be noisy.

«The day will come when man will have to fight noise as inexorably as cholera and the plague»

~~ Robert Koch

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Addendum: also need to ban children playing outside. They make so much damned noise.

And maybe drugs too. The drugged up people during weekends are massive nuisance in cities, yelling and being violent at streets. Really we should close down all bars and bring back prohibition...

What about education, which should make such behaviour evidently inappropriate, and policing, so that that the yellers - "Oh! Sorry you broke a fully legitimate and reasonable law" - and violent - "Oh! Another"...

Some people seemingly like living in anarchy. Which may seem "nice" until it tramples you.

There is no need to close the bars. There has always been a need to correct bothersome and damaging behaviour, obviously, even when we keep experiences open. Ever heard of moderation? Self control? The appellative of 'Mister' (master over what)? Of the values of consciousness and awareness?

Re: California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

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Is that a large market segment?

Everyone who can't justify an electric riding mower or doesn't have a place to charge it. I'm guessing you've never had to maneuver an umpowered push mower on slopes.

No, I have, but I was young and am not small.

But for instance, the town here doesn't have slopes, which is a common thing, for developed land to have been flattened out.

Re: California moves toward ban on gas lawnmowers and leaf blowers

#150

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Ah, I see that you responded with a source on behalf of the person making the claim. Although my sentiment still stands - the source doesn't support the claim. "So those sources are cleaner per gallon of fuel than a gas-powered leaf blower, and they don't exhaust quite as close to living, breathing people." Per gallon. Lawn equipment is is a tiny fraction compared to these others. Airports tend to be in cities, power…

> Although my sentiment still stands - the source doesn't support the claim. It does. If you don't believe the source, then take that up with CARB. But don't act like information provided by a government regulator is hearsay.

Can you show me where CARB says it's currently happening? You only posted a link to and quote about a prediction made in 2017.
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