Anonymous Hacks Epik • Hacker News Board

Re: Anonymous Hacks Epik

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Post by qeternity » Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 8:55 AM UTC

southerntofu wrote: post #113

heyitsguay wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fortunately, given the purported scope of the hack, it seems we'll be able to actually quantify that. How many of the websites weren't hosting violent or extremist content? If this is real, we should be able to get an exact percentage.

I would assume given any hosting provider, that most content would not be deemed "violent" or "extremist". But of course, it depends on your interpretation. For example, some people consider radical servers from the anarchist scene to be hosting violent/extremist material, while i personally consider governments and big corporations to be pretty violent and extremist themselves in how they ruthlessly dominate the wor…

Epik is not just “any” hosting provider. In fact, there’s no reason to use them unless you fall into the “unhostable” category elsewhere.

Their infra, peering and prices are way worse than pretty much everyone else.

Re: Anonymous Hacks Epik

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Post by tcmart14 » Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 8:59 AM UTC

AllegedAlec wrote: post #100

vermilingua wrote: post #70

> OFFICIAL ANONYMOUS (not to be confused with 'Anonymous Official' grifters) I find it ironic that this is the first line of a “press release” from a group that was always defined by its nebulous nature.

Yeah. For a group claiming to be Anonymous, they care a whole fucking lot about 'lmao muh politics' rather than doing shit for the lulz.

I believe Anonymous claimed to do a DOS on the DOJ website because of the arrest of Kevin Dotcom (2012). Operation Ferguson (2014). Operation Saudi (2013). Operation KKK (2015). Operation Avenge Asange (2011).

Quiet a few operations under the name of anonymous have had some sort of political or social motivation.

Re: Anonymous Hacks Epik

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Post by genr8 » Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 9:00 AM UTC

One step closer to anarcho-tyranny. Anonymous has become the Antifa of the Internet. Basically a far-left strike force, cloaked but public, with enough plausible deniability that the 3 letter agencies allow to exist because they can do things beyond the law - as long as they dont go after the gov... One has to wonder why they are so focused on [Combating far right extremism and misinformation] when it's clearly designed to benefit the overall establishment system status-quo. Even _if_ this whole Operation Jane anti anti-abortion-law texas hacktivism politics made sense to someone, it now has a much larger effect on the internet as a whole. Epik - one of the last hosting providers on the internet in favor of absolute free speech (within the law) that still exists. The risk/reward equation doesnt add up. More innocent rights are being violated with this hack alone compared to saving womens abortion rights.

Re: Anonymous Hacks Epik

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Post by vermilingua » Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 9:08 AM UTC

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #120

southerntofu wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I may be uninformed on this topic, but i believe this line to be tongue-in-cheek (like much of the announcement). How best to announce something for a very informal/anonymous collective?

It's very "People's Front of Judaea".

Reading it in that light makes a lot more sense.

Re: Anonymous Hacks Epik

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Post by tcmart14 » Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 9:09 AM UTC

jonathanstrange wrote: post #140

desine wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you truly believe in freedom of speech, it makes sense to support companies who enable those ideals. I'm not familiar enough with the company/drama/story here, but if Epik does not do anything "problematic" other than allow "problematic" speech, then I would consider them. A certain quote often mis-attributed to Voltaire comes to mind [0]. It appears they do have some lines drawn in the sand for free speech, they…

I don't think anyone really supports unlimited freedom of speech other than as a strategic rhetorical lip service. It's a very unreasonable position. What people mean is that they draw the line at different places, usually while ignoring the law. People disagree about the definitions of crimes involving publication. For example, almost everyone is against the freedom to disseminate child porn under the excuse of "fre…

Yup. The same republicans proud of their party history saw no issue with dragging people in front of congress for interrogation because they might be a communist (thought crime).

(House Un-American Activities Committee).

Re: Anonymous Hacks Epik

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Post by user764743 » Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 9:12 AM UTC

CallMeJim wrote: post #59

This has been updated to include a spiel about Kent Dahlgren. I'm not aware of the story there — is there some sort of feud between the two parties?

just some drama between treehouses within anon, just like old times.

Re: Anonymous Hacks Epik

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Post by kitd » Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 9:16 AM UTC

genr8 wrote: post #143

One step closer to anarcho-tyranny. Anonymous has become the Antifa of the Internet. Basically a far-left strike force, cloaked but public, with enough plausible deniability that the 3 letter agencies allow to exist because they can do things beyond the law - as long as they dont go after the gov... One has to wonder why they are so focused on [Combating far right extremism and misinformation] when it's clearly desig…

Well, if they've nothing to hide, they've nothing to fear. That's what me & my innocent rights have been told all this time.

Re: Anonymous Hacks Epik

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Post by woodruffw » Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 9:19 AM UTC

Beaver117 wrote: post #46

I don't get it, didn't anonymous start on 4chan? Why are they attacking this company which is hosting similar content? I thought anonymous used to only attack megacorps

One of the saddest and most effective media coups of the last decade has been the far right convincing the public that 4chan was always theirs. It started as an anonymous image board, one that an incredible number of people left when it became apparent that neo-Nazis had Poe’s Lawed themselves into the dominant user base.

> I thought anonymous used to only attack megacorps

Various individuals or groups labeling themselves “Anonymous” have operated during the Arab Spring, and after the murders of Tamir Rice and Michael Brown.

Re: Anonymous Hacks Epik

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Post by rijoja » Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 9:28 AM UTC

southerntofu wrote: post #124

throwawepik wrote: post #23

There is a .swp file in the torrent: > strings .whois.sql.swp b0nano 5.4 anonymous datahound whois.sql I tested on my machine and nano swap files contain the nano version (5.4), the username (anonymous), the hostname (datahound) and the filename (whois.sql).

Nice catch! I downvoted though, because helping to deanonymize antifascist hackers is against my ethics.

The ethical thing to do when you find a security breach is to report it to them. If you support people who are willing to commit crime to get into power then I really hope that you take some time to think about your political convictions.

Re: Anonymous Hacks Epik

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Post by woodruffw » Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 9:28 AM UTC

southerntofu wrote: post #121

vmception wrote: post #13

> OFFICIAL ANONYMOUS (not to be confused with 'Anonymous Official' grifters) They should sign an ethereum address to reduce ambiguity (Any crypto asset address is fine, even PGP is good enough for this but PGP had 25 years to make that user friendly and common but failed, and cryptocurrencies made signing software more prevalent and uniform wayyyyy faster)

"PGP" is an algorithm, not an organization or movement, so you can't really say it failed. The algorithm is pretty good, though some implementations are really bad, and most programs who embed it have bad UX. However, there's still some very good programs with good UX making use of PGP (for example delta.chat), and to this day no cryptomoney scam wallet has ever been as useful as PGP has over the years.

I’ve never heard PGP described as an algorithm before. I think it’s more accurate to describe it as a signing and encryption envelope standard, which internally supports a whole bunch of common encryption standards.

More generally, there’s broad consensus in the cryptographic community that PGP’s intended uses and design are fundamentally flawed/mismatched against modern actual uses.

Don’t get me wrong! Cryptocurrency is filled with shysters and I don’t use any of them. But we should probably be encouraging users to stop treating PGP over email as if it does anything and instead encourage them to switch to E2EE systems (since that’s what the majority actually want.)