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The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by rvz »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #81

It's interesting to see the comments from people who supported Youtube/Twitter/FB/Patreon/Visa political censorship, but are suddenly against the porn censorship by the payment same systems. "Rules for thee, but not for me."

Also the same ones who repeated the 'private platform argument' now don't like it when several 'other private platforms' ban or don't want to do business with OnlyFans because it hurts those who use it for a living, especially those who have 'pornographic content'.

Exactly the same thing how YouTube demonetises specific individuals who use the platform for a living for content that is skewed to a certain political audience.

Do they now realise that this can happen to anyone? As for payment solutions, this is the whole point of cryptocurrencies that will solve this eventually.

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Post by MrLeap »

iratewizard wrote: post #135
giancarlostoro wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont think they were talking about January 6 posts. I have seen all manner of Facebook friends censored for speaking their thoughts on varying subject matters that have been politicized over time. Also seen friends banned off Twitter for literal shitposting. I miss the internet when it was mostly full of nerds. After smartphones it all went downhill.

Summer never ended after 2008, sadly.

It's been eternally September since 1993.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by mhb »

Smashure wrote: post #116
mhb wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't checks and other payment mechanisms also solve this problem? Obviously not as conveniently as Mastercard or Visa, but it is disingenuous to assert that credit cards have a monopoly on payments .

Checks are slow and can be faked or scammed. Sending cash also wouldn’t work. MasterCard and Visa had a strong monopoly on instant transactions at a distance. They fought PayPal quite a bit in the beginning as it encroached on their monopoly. Thankfully crypto has solved this monopoly

Yes. There's a cost to checks just like there's a cost to using credit cards. The slowness of checks can be mitigated by offering some sort of access until the check clears. I'm sure there are plenty of creative types who can figure out how to route around the credit card problem. Also checks, credit cards and crypto aren't the only payment options.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by beebeepka »

caseysoftware wrote: post #100
beebeepka wrote: post #85

What a thread. Right now literally half the posts are greyed out for saying things I don't understand in the slightest. Feels like some kind of cultural war is spilling into the site but due to nature of HN, no one is really sharing their actual thoughts on the matter so there's a lot of voting based on subtleties.

That's because what you type can and will be used against you in the court of public opinion.

What about up/down votes? Are people liable for those?

I understand the audience on this site. At first I thought it's just /. But it really isn't.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by treebot »

ajross wrote: post #91
dcolkitt wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does this have to do with trust? Clearly the current users trust OnlyFans, and I doubt very many people are worried they’re going to disappear in the middle of the night and turn off the porn. “Yeah I’ll throw $50 into this OnlyFans subscription, but only if I can get a chargeback if I’m not happy with the performer” said nobody ever.

It's a stack, though. Sure, no sex work consumer ever said that[1], but their bank sure as hell did. Which is why they had a handy credit card in their pocket with which they were able to easily pay OnlyFans, who were able to easily receive the transaction. It's about TRUST . Banks and consumers and providers work together to come up with a framework where fraud is so difficult as to be largely a vanishing concern fo…

The lack of charge back is really a small issue. I don't think it applies here. Crypto does solve this problem. Even if there's the lack of charge back, it still overcomes the censorship problem, which traditional systems do not. So do you want censorship + charge back? Or no censorship and no charge back? In this case, I think it's clearly the latter.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by spacebear »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #81

It's interesting to see the comments from people who supported Youtube/Twitter/FB/Patreon/Visa political censorship, but are suddenly against the porn censorship by the payment same systems. "Rules for thee, but not for me."

Many sex workers have been warning against political censorship for exactly this reason: https://thehill.com/policy/technology/532137-sex-workers-war...

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #117

There's this common meme of blaming anti-sex-work sentiment on some bloc of US Evangelicals who secretly rule the Western economy and politics. Because surely, it couldn't be the market speaking out against adult material? Here's an alternative hypothesis: between those anti-sex fundamentalist religious groups (Christian or otherwise) and people who absolutely love everything sex-related, there's the vast majority of…

> people who find the whole topic uncomfortable to a large degree ... they don't like being reminded of it. They don't like sex being mixed with other areas of life.

So... ban it for everyone else because they don't like it? Sounds fair and reasonable /s

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by [deleted] »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #98
bufferoverflow wrote: post #81

It's interesting to see the comments from people who supported Youtube/Twitter/FB/Patreon/Visa political censorship, but are suddenly against the porn censorship by the payment same systems. "Rules for thee, but not for me."

A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy, I’m confused why you would interpolate the two. It is just more fuel for the argument that America has always been so uncomfortable and Puritan with sex and way too comfortable with violence.

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Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Post by ufmace »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #98
bufferoverflow wrote: post #81

It's interesting to see the comments from people who supported Youtube/Twitter/FB/Patreon/Visa political censorship, but are suddenly against the porn censorship by the payment same systems. "Rules for thee, but not for me."

A girl pleasuring herself isn’t the same thing as encouraging people to storm the White House and overthrow democracy, I’m confused why you would interpolate the two. It is just more fuel for the argument that America has always been so uncomfortable and Puritan with sex and way too comfortable with violence.

Are you talking about the time that BLM tried to storm the White House?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-moved...

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