Dorothy Butler Gilliam: ‘I am not a maid, I am a reporter’

Post by refenestrator » Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 9:20 PM UTC

burnished wrote: post #140

refenestrator wrote: post #138

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He was at a BLM protest and lit up that cop car. I checked, his quote was "I got carried away". No comment on CHAZ killing 3 black dudes? Is that a pro or anti 'black lives matter' action? You can define your personal boundary for who "counts" and not, have it include all the peaceful people and none of the bad/unwise people, and call everyone who disagrees a concern troll.. and hey, you'll be right, according to you…

Nope, no comment because I don't know what you're talking about. I spent some time reflecting on this little interaction and it really reminded me of when it was going on. I got a call from my grandmother to watch out because she had heard about some really ugly things and these Seattle riots, and was I staying safe? And it was bizarre, because the places she was describing were places I had been, and I had zero evid…

You could just Google 'chaz shooting'.

It sounds like you see this as a tribal issue. Where it's your tribe vs the other tribe and saying something like "it got out of hand at times" would be conceding ground.

Consider the current moment where critical race theory has now been weaponized back against liberals and used to delegitimize legitimate points and problems we have. Maybe this could have been avoided if the movement had told Robin DiAngelo to shut up and stop giving them ammo. Instead they tried to 'cancel' anyone who saw this coming a year out, like Lee Fang or David Shor.

You happy with the results? Was it worth it? Where are the wins?

Post by triceratops » Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 12:55 AM UTC

eplanit wrote: post #136

triceratops wrote: post #91

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> The BLM movement is quite silent regarding other black deaths There's an expectation that the police will investigate regular crimes and bring the criminals to justice. For crimes committed by police, there's no such guarantee. Why is it wrong for a movement to focus on watching the watchmen? In any case, what are protests and rallies going to do against gang violence? You need social programs to keep kids out of g…

"You need social programs to keep kids out of gangs" A cohesive home with both the mother and father present, where moral values are taught, is more effective than a sad, government-run program.

> A cohesive home with both the mother and father present

Which can be torn apart by crime, police brutality, over-policing, or criminalization of being poor; get a parking ticket, fail to pay it, go to jail, lose your job, rinse and repeat.

(A sign seen at a BLM protest sums it up: "You kill our fathers, then make fun of us for not having one")

> where moral values are taught

I'd wager that the vast majority of parents and guardians teach their kids not to lie, cheat, steal, or hurt other people. How much those teachings take root depends a great deal on the child's environment and peer group. Don't believe me? Then why do parents pay so much money for a "good" school district? The moral values they impart should hold even if they live in a "bad" neighborhood, right?

> sad, government-run program

Who said anything about government-run? Churches, community groups and local clubs like the Rotary Club, even police departments (this last one is the government, I'll give you that) run after-school and youth programs to keep kids busy and engaged in productive pursuits.

Secondly, if both parents are working long hours, you need someone to keep an eye on the kids after school. Some people have grandparents or other relatives but not everyone is so lucky (the grandparents themselves might be working long hours; generational poverty is a thing). Absent that support, the external factors I mentioned above begin to dominate.

Again, I don't understand the hate for a movement that, at its core, claims to want to hold government servants accountable for the crimes they commit. That's generally considered a good thing across political lines.

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